Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I disagree, it was religion the brought people together into cities. And as far as silly beliefs, only the future can tell what silly things we believing now. Electrons and singularities could be just as much fantasy as "fairytale myths about gods and salvation".
How is there a possibility that electrons don't physically exist?
Originally posted by Lestov16
How is there a possibility that electrons don't physically exist?
An electron is part of a theory. We can never be 100% sure that this theory is correct. In the future they may look at our beliefs and laugh in the same way we are amused by beliefs of the past.
I hope you realize that my post had nothing to do with electrons. I was pointing out the arrogance of our current beliefs, and making a comparison to those beliefs of the past.
As an Australian who's country just decided to help fund/support America in their Israel endeavours I just hope Palestine would be happy they got their territory back and leave it at that and world leaders would stop wanking over the Mid East. But lets be practical. Palestine after assuming control (like most countries who just have a victory) would put a corrupt power in charge and its gonna be Taliban all over again and we're gonna have to spend more money on it because its Israel. Notice our governments aren't nearly as keen to fund conflicts in Africa. American corporations are like: OIL! American Government goes: JESUS! And the Australian Government goes: (you know what I can't even think of a reason... wankers).
Originally posted by ShakyamunisonThe problem I've always had with epistemology is the argument that one can't ever know anything 100% correctly, as the concept of knowledge could itself not even exist. What a useless philosophy, it leads nowhere. So... as far knowing whether an electron exists--yes. We KNOW. Without invoking Cartesian logic (which is truly pointless in determine the truth of things), we absolutely know 100% for sure that electrons exist.
Really? Do you have blind faith in the all mighty electron? Is there no room for science and change? You might as well be a religious fanatic.
Whether they're fundamental, or whether they're part of something greater or more complicated that we haven't recognized yet is still up for grabs. But within the confines of human experience (the only experience available to us without invoking religion or spiritualism [which are themselves something we've invented to explain experiences we otherwise can't suss out]), it's an absolute certainty that they're there. Stating something known as fact as the fact it is, is not being closed to change, and it's pretty shitty of you to imply that I am. I have absolutely no clue why you tried to present them as "maybe" fairytale, other than perhaps you're trying to play a devil's advocate. If you are, then you're very poor at it.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
The problem I've always had with epistemology is the argument that one can't ever know anything 100% correctly, as the concept of knowledge could itself not even exist. What a useless philosophy, it leads nowhere. So... as far knowing whether an electron exists--yes. We KNOW. Without invoking Cartesian logic (which is truly pointless in determine the truth of things), we absolutely know 100% for sure that electrons exist.Whether they're fundamental, or whether they're part of something greater or more complicated that we haven't recognized yet is still up for grabs. But within the confines of human experience (the only experience available to us without invoking religion or spiritualism [which are themselves something we've invented to explain experiences we otherwise can't suss out]), it's an absolute certainty that they're there. Stating something known as fact as the fact it is, is not being closed to change, and it's pretty shitty of you to imply that I am. I have absolutely no clue why you tried to present them as "maybe" fairytale, other than perhaps you're trying to play a devil's advocate. If you are, then you're very poor at it.
No real scientist would ever agree with you. 99.999%, but 100%. That wasn't even my point. The future will know better then we know. I for one hope that the electron doesn't exist. It would make the future far more exiting, but that's not what I was talking about. The future will look at us as if we were primitives, because we are. So, dismissing the past for the wisdom of the present is foolhardy, because we are subject to that same criticism. Do you see how that has nothing to do with the electron? Maybe what I am telling you is just way over your head. It's really simple: Something as real to us as an electron, for example, could be a fairytale to people of the future.
I am not going to talk to you any more. I will ignore you from now on. You are too pigheaded, and I don't like talking to you. Goodbye.
Originally posted by ShakyamunisonI was on the verge of saying the exact same thing to you. If you want to make a point about future generations knowing better than us, fine. But do it without being an obtuse, condescending ass.
I am not going to talk to you any more. I will ignore you from now on. You are too pigheaded, and I don't like talking to you. Goodbye.
To be fair the comparison between fairy tales and electrons are very different from a metholodogical standpoint. While both play with the concept of passing information into future generations, fairy tales admit diverging ideologies and cultural changes over the passage of time. Scientific knowledge is structured in a different way. If you break an electron, in the other hand, we don't even call it an electron anymore.
So... Saying that the future generations will know better than us, and stating they'll threat two different structural bases of information as the same, only goes to say that future generations will not really know any better than us.
Which is fine, because culturally speaking we loss many levels of subtelty.
Let's say in a hypothetical situation, Hamas got control of a concentrated WMD that allowed them to conquer the IDF with the U.S. having no effective weapons to stop them. They expel/kill/convert the Israeli citizens and declare Israel to be Palestine once again. How would the world's governments, geopolitics, and religions react to this?
Originally posted by popoyez
Let's say in a hypothetical situation, Hamas got control of a concentrated WMD that allowed them to conquer the IDF with the U.S. having no effective weapons to stop them. They expel/kill/convert the Israeli citizens and declare Israel to be Palestine once again. How would the world's governments, geopolitics, and religions react to this?
All scenarios are implausible.
1) The US has more than enough weapons at its disposal to counter any WMD.
They wouldn't let any terrorist group take control of a concentrated WMD in the first place.
2) The Jewish majority in Israel will NEVER convert, even if it means mass genocide.
If Hitler couldn't exterminate them (and that was before US became a full ally of Israel), no terrorist group could.
3) The Jewish oligarchy in the US will persuade the US gov't to wage an all-out war to exterminate all Islamic terrorist groups, along with the entire genocide of the Palestinian people. It would be Holocaust 2, but more swift and destructive.
Originally posted by popoyez
Let's say in a hypothetical situation, Hamas got control of a concentrated WMD that allowed them to conquer the IDF with the U.S. having no effective weapons to stop them. They expel/kill/convert the Israeli citizens and declare Israel to be Palestine once again. How would the world's governments, geopolitics, and religions react to this?
You might as well put alien invaders in.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Really? Do you have blind faith in the all mighty electron? Is there no room for science and change? You might as well be a religious fanatic.
Originally posted by popoyez
Let's say in a hypothetical situation, Hamas got control of a concentrated WMD that allowed them to conquer the IDF with the U.S. having no effective weapons to stop them.
Two, the US does have effective weapons to counter them. They're known as nukes.