Originally posted by riv6672
Then that'd go for the Avengers, as well.
Bad news for the Authority, then.
I don't think it's exactly the same thing. Avengers would still be fighting in-character, and most if any are the "Let's just kill 'em" type. You saw how divided everybody between two branches were in GALACTIC STORM when there was a damn good reason to kill.....Supreme Intelligence? I forget the name.
Originally posted by Delta1938
You can say characters WildStorm actually wanted to keep, but that deflects from the fact that the characters Authority killed were random No-Names or characters that lasted a whole 3 issue or so storyline, in general. Meaning, little to nothing to establish power level.
Well, considering some of their OTHER feats, like the Doctor holding Italy in place as the world continued spinning, or Angie tanking a nuke to the face at point blank range.....
I mean, if you want to focus purely on combat feats, then yes, the Authority will lose if you apply the criteria of 'well, we have no way of telling what durability/speed feats the Giant Man that Apollo killed were, so lets ignore that'.
Originally posted by Delta1938
I don't think it's exactly the same thing. Avengers would still be fighting in-character, and most if any are the "Let's just kill 'em" type. You saw how divided everybody between two branches were in GALACTIC STORM when there was a damn good reason to kill.....Supreme Intelligence? I forget the name.
Well we saw how divided they were more recently in Uncanny, when Rogue killed.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well, considering some of their OTHER feats, like the Doctor holding Italy in place as the world continued spinning, or Angie tanking a nuke to the face at point blank range.....I mean, if you want to focus purely on combat feats, then yes, the Authority will lose if you apply the criteria of 'well, we have no way of telling what durability/speed feats the Giant Man that Apollo killed were, so lets ignore that'.
I was more talking combat showings because saying they're going for the kill straight-up against No-Names doesn't really prove anything. If you go feats, generally I don't think it'll end well comparing against several of the Avengers. Yeah, some of Authority are on-par with the Avengers, but I don't see their mentality being enough. Also, default battlefield should make Jack pretty weak here. Depending on your interpretation of the battlefield not specified rule.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well we saw how divided they were more recently in Uncanny, when Rogue killed.
I haven't read recent Marvel stuff in a long time, but I was more referring to how generally Avengers don't kill, in response to Riv's reply to you about a "forum fight." How even when there was a reason arguably justifiable, a lot refused and were pissed at the ones who went to kill.
Originally posted by Delta1938
I was more talking combat showings because saying they're going for the kill straight-up against No-Names doesn't really prove anything. If you go feats, generally I don't think it'll end well comparing against several of the Avengers. Yeah, some of Authority are on-par with the Avengers, but I don't see their mentality being enough. Also, default battlefield should make Jack pretty weak here. Depending on your interpretation of the battlefield not specified rule.I haven't read recent Marvel stuff in a long time, but I was more referring to how generally Avengers don't kill, in response to Riv's reply to you about a "forum fight." How even when there was a reason arguably justifiable, a lot refused and were pissed at the ones who went to kill.
Like I said, powerlevels wise, Avengers would be higher. But so what if Starbrand/Captain Marvel have better feats, if the Doctor is willing to turn their bones into Chanel? Or that Cap/BP have better feats than Midnighter, when he is willing to say 'Door', and kick them into space?
Concerning Jack:
Concerning the Battlefield
Unless otherwise stated by the thread originator, the standard distance between combatants will be .5 kilometers in line of sight at the onset of battle, and there will be an implied "buzz" to signify the onset of battle. It will be assumed combatants are primed to go at the gun.Also, all characters, regardless of where the fight takes place, or what universe/medium they are native to, will have full access to their abilities at optimum efficiency as they are depicted in their native universes. It will be assumed that each character fights as they are normally presented regardless of battle locale. This means that, for example, Flash will in fact have SpeedForce abilities if the battle took place in Marvel Manhattan. Battles will always take place on an assumed equal playing field.
Jack is fighting at optimum. He would not hesitate to kick someone's head off, and with several of the combatants on the field, he could.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Like I said, powerlevels wise, Avengers would be higher. But so what if Starbrand/Captain Marvel have better feats, if the Doctor is willing to turn their bones into Chanel? Or that Cap/BP have better feats than Midnighter, when he is willing to say 'Door', and kick them into space?Concerning Jack:
Jack is fighting at optimum. He would not hesitate to kick someone's head off, and with several of the combatants on the field, he could.
If the match-up goes like that, but who's to say Strange doesn't counter?
As for Jack, Pr said in another thread that if not specified it's a featureless battlefield(which they apparently removed). That would actually be exactly how Jack's powers would work. I was saying "how you interpret the rule" by "Battles will always take place on an assumed equal playing field," as one may argue Jack should have something of a city to work with. But Jack's powers work quite differently than Speed Force users.
Originally posted by Delta1938
If the match-up goes like that, but who's to say Strange doesn't counter?As for Jack, Pr said in another thread that if not specified it's a featureless battlefield(which they apparently removed). That would actually be exactly how Jack's powers would work. I was saying "how you interpret the rule" by "Battles will always take place on an assumed equal playing field," as one may argue Jack should have something of a city to work with. But Jack's powers work quite differently than Speed Force users.
What would he do? Usual Strange tactic is invoking the Crimson Bands or something, and binding the good Doctor. Which would make no difference whatsoever.
Then we get into What If scenarios. What if Strange did this? Or that? But what if the Doctor countered with this? Or that?
With regards to your second point, Jack wouldn't be wearing Tokyo mech battlesuits - but at the same time, he wouldn't be a weak feeb human with human level stats. He'd still be durable, fast, and strong. And willing to kill. He can still approximate flight, sink through the ground and come up behind them etc.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What would he do? Usual Strange tactic is invoking the Crimson Bands or something, and binding the good Doctor. Which would make no difference whatsoever.Then we get into What If scenarios. What if Strange did this? Or that? But what if the Doctor countered with this? Or that?
With regards to your second point, Jack wouldn't be wearing Tokyo mech battlesuits - but at the same time, he wouldn't be a weak feeb human with human level stats. He'd still be durable, fast, and strong. And willing to kill. He can still approximate flight, sink through the ground and come up behind them etc.
Oh, I dunno. Two mages fighting until eventually someone KOs Doctor?
And I still think he'd be slightly superhuman, but I do remember it being eventually lethal for Jack not to be in a city, he won't have anything to manipulate, and didn't going through the ground only work in cities?
Originally posted by Delta1938
Oh, I dunno. Two mages fighting until eventually someone KOs Doctor?And I still think he'd be slightly superhuman, but I do remember it being eventually lethal for Jack not to be in a city, he won't have anything to manipulate, and didn't going through the ground only work in cities?
I'm seeing it for all intents and purposes, that there IS a city, a good sized one (so Jack is working at peak efficiency) but its invisible and intangible, lol. So completely featureless battlefield, but a source of power.
Originally posted by Delta1938
That could give Authority a pity induced forfeit win.
Then the Doctor cowers in a corner, Apollo runs out of Sun power, and as long as Cap/BP use aikido and not any aggressive MA, the Midnighter is powerless.
Strange/Thor sends them back in time, to 1999, and Jenny also dies.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Then the Doctor cowers in a corner, Apollo runs out of Sun power, and as long as Cap/BP use aikido and not any aggressive MA, the Midnighter is powerless.
And Thor draws all electricity from Jenny, Angie goes and hides to make a vibrator because she's too frustrated to fight, and The High splatters himself against a force field again somehow.
Then right as the Avengers obtain an apparent victory, they look at how pathetic their opponents are, many of them wet themselves, so they leave and agree to never speak of this cruel win again. Angie comes-out satisfied enough, sees everybody on her team is out but the Avengers are gone, she claims victory.
Authority wins.
Originally posted by Delta1938
And Thor draws all electricity from Jenny, Angie goes and hides to make a vibrator because she's too frustrated to fight, and The High splatters himself against a force field again somehow.Then right as the Avengers obtain an apparent victory, they look at how pathetic their opponents are, many of them wet themselves, so they leave and agree to never speak of this cruel win again. Angie comes-out satisfied enough, sees everybody on her team is out but the Avengers are gone, she claims victory.
Authority wins.
👆 a fitting end to a LordofBrooklyn thread.
The Doctor is the OP's most powerful character. However, if Strange can keep him in check the Authority doesn't have another answer for Thor, and a combo of Strange/Thor would likely take down the Doctor. The rest are mostly fodder (not sure about Starbrand...The High or someone else could likely busy SB for a while).
Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
The Doctor and Jenny Sparks.
Why Jenny Sparks? You know she was the high-meta-level electricity manipulator, not the Trans.-level badass, yeah?
Originally posted by Delta1938
And Thor draws all electricity from Jenny, Angie goes and hides to make a vibrator because she's too frustrated to fight, and The High splatters himself against a force field again somehow.Then right as the Avengers obtain an apparent victory, they look at how pathetic their opponents are, many of them wet themselves, so they leave and agree to never speak of this cruel win again. Angie comes-out satisfied enough, sees everybody on her team is out but the Avengers are gone, she claims victory.
Authority wins.
lol, 👆
Also, though I realize this is a joke, it's not a given that Thor's electricity manipulation would trump Jenny's. In fact, I think this might be one of the only times where the reverse is slightly more likely. But of course we don't know for sure.
Originally posted by Digi
The Doctor is the OP's most powerful character. However, if Strange can keep him in check the Authority doesn't have another answer for Thor, and a combo of Strange/Thor would likely take down the Doctor. The rest are mostly fodder (not sure about Starbrand...The High or someone else could likely busy SB for a while).lol, 👆
Also, though I realize this is a joke, it's not a given that Thor's electricity manipulation would trump Jenny's. In fact, I think this might be one of the only times where the reverse is slightly more likely. But of course we don't know for sure.
I actually think Apollo is powerful enough to give Thor a decent fight. Unless by "no answer to Thor" you mean nobody who would likely beat him, then yeah. I know very little about The High. I read his origin, but in regards to what I've seen of his power, all I know is he KOed I think Fuji with by spitting hard on him, and Apollo was compared to him. So maybe he'd give Thor a decent fight too.
Regardless of who would win there, I doubt Thor would actually try it, as he rarely does energy drain. But out of curiosity, what makes you think she might be more powerful than him there? I didn't read her Pre-AUTHORITY, but did read her from AUTHORITY #1 through her death at killing "God" and didn't see anything to think her power over electricity was greater than his.