Originally posted by riv6672
I cant say i see your point or his as it comes to the spirit of... God of... Part of things.
Titles are just titles.
As for the electricity argument, well, Thor summons mystical lightning.
But he's way more than that. Among his abilities is control of anti matter and elemental transmutation.
Not to put to fine a point on it but, Thor could conceivably best 5 out of 7 on the Authority team solo...
Everyone knows Thor's abilities, and in this thread I don't think anyone has placed Jenny in the same league as him, or even close to him. For my own part, my assessment of the fight didn't include Jenny at all, as she'd be a non-factor. My only point about her was more specific. Please at least address the points being made.
Originally posted by maxivitopowe
Yeah I was wondering about what their specific control over electricity would be like, cos Thor dispersed Electro into the atmosphere once
It's technically impossible to say. We're all just speculating if we answer this. But at the very least it would be a more difficult feat to do the same to Jenny. She's a notch above Electro, at least, in this department.
Originally posted by riv6672
Well, excuse me.
Just because you disagree with me doesnt mean i wasnt addressing the point.
But you weren't. Saying Thor has other abilities and that he's above Jenny, both things I agree with, failed to address any point being made, not just mine. This reply here also presumes I disagree with you, which I don't. I'm not really sure what conversation you're having.
srug
Thats your opinion and i'm not going to spend 12 posts going back and forth on it with you.
Avengers win this Vs.
Like i said, Thor himself could beat a large percentage of the team. Add the rest of HIS team, and the Authority wouldnt get a majority, if thats how these fights went, let alone the actual one fight being contested.
Originally posted by riv6672
Thats your opinion and i'm not going to spend 12 posts going back and forth on it with you.
Back and forth on what?! I've agreed with your posts. You literally haven't made a post in this thread that I couldn't endorse at least the majority of it. At most, we have small quibbles about a couple matters, or are on opposite sides of unanswerable, speculative distinctions. And maybe not even that.
I'm not trying to start sh*t, this is just lulz-worthy to me because I don't actually know what's going on.
Originally posted by Digi
Apollo isn't Thor's match. It's not a OHK or anything, but there's no serious chance Apollo wins.By all accounts - which are few, given his sporadic appearances - the High is > Apollo but < Thor. He could trade blows with Majestic but doesn't have Majestic's feats.
She's NOT more powerful than Thor. I didn't say that. I said she might have better control over electricity than Thor, which she might. Very speculative either way, though.
Jenny's control is more fundamental than most. She controls - and is - electricity on something approaching an abstract level. There are limits to its scope. But, for example, I don't think Thor could just absorb her into Mjolnir. And she would wreck the **** out of most other electricity wielders...say, Electro even at his most dangerous.
errr..... "OHK?" Don't know what you mean by that. But I was referring strictly to physical fight, as Thor NORMALLY(especially in team battles) doesn't get too fancy. From what I had read of Apollo myself(I think the first couple dozen issues or so of AUTHORITY), I pegged him around Thing level in strength. After seeing scans of some feats and fights, I was impressed compared to where I had him before and put him lower-level Top-Tier. I never thought Apollo would beat Thor, but could keep Thor busy a while if he doesn't get fancy, possibly until someone with a better chance like The Doctor(well, really he's the only one with a chance) takes him out. If Thor fights intelligently, Apollo goes down pretty hard(insert "Apollo's gay" joke here).
You misunderstood my question. I know you weren't saying Jenny>Thor overall, but you seem to think she may be superior to him in electrical manipulation, hence why I said "what makes you think she might be more powerful than him there ?" Sorry for the confusion. And I'm genuinely interested, because I only read her in AUTHORITY until her death and didn't see anything to put her on that level. I also just recently got a whole bunch more Wildstorm stuff(back to the first WILD C.A.T.S) and would like to see some feats for her that I haven't already read.
Originally posted by Delta1938
errr..... "OHK?" Don't know what you mean by that. But I was referring strictly to physical fight, as Thor NORMALLY(especially in team battles) doesn't get too fancy. From what I had read of Apollo myself(I think the first couple dozen issues or so of AUTHORITY), I pegged him around Thing level in strength. After seeing scans of some feats and fights, I was impressed compared to where I had him before and put him lower-level Top-Tier. I never thought Apollo would beat Thor, but could keep Thor busy a while if he doesn't get fancy, possibly until someone with a better chance like The Doctor(well, really he's the only one with a chance) takes him out. If Thor fights intelligently, Apollo goes down pretty hard(insert "Apollo's gay" joke here).You misunderstood my question. I know you weren't saying Jenny>Thor overall, but you seem to think she may be superior to him in electrical manipulation, hence why I said "what makes you think she might be more powerful than him [B]there
?" Sorry for the confusion. And I'm genuinely interested, because I only read her in AUTHORITY until her death and didn't see anything to put her on that level. I also just recently got a whole bunch more Wildstorm stuff(back to the first WILD C.A.T.S) and would like to see some feats for her that I haven't already read. [/B]
Cool cool. There isn't anything definitive to put her above Thor in electrical manipulation. The Authority's occasional status as literal gods in certain areas (like Jenny being the embodiment of the 20th century) is the potential justification. If you dig back through her Stormwatch stuff, there's more to be impressed by, but Thor's best feats will of course trump hers. I think neither could really do much to the other via electrical attacks/absorption/etc. but that Thor could kill her other ways.
OHK means "one hit kill." Basically, it refers to a character that can one-shot another. Apollo is somewhat variable, but almost certainly above Thing in strength (on average). But also just as clearly beneath Thor. So yeah, your assessment of their encounter and Apollo's possible role in the fight is spot-on.
Originally posted by Digi
Cool cool. There isn't anything definitive to put her above Thor in electrical manipulation. The Authority's occasional status as literal gods in certain areas (like Jenny being the embodiment of the 20th century) is the potential justification. If you dig back through her Stormwatch stuff, there's more to be impressed by, but Thor's best feats will of course trump hers. I think neither could really do much to the other via electrical attacks/absorption/etc. but that Thor could kill her other ways.OHK means "one hit kill." Basically, it refers to a character that can one-shot another. Apollo is somewhat variable, but almost certainly above Thing in strength (on average). But also just as clearly beneath Thor. So yeah, your assessment of their encounter and Apollo's possible role in the fight is spot-on.
Ah ok. I'll eventually read her STORMWATCH stuff.. Mostly off-topic, would you recommend I read TEAM ONE stuff first, since I THINK it takes place beforre WILDCATS, or will that cause problems? Or does it not even take place before but just has members from Team One in the "current" time?
I actually did think maybe you mean "one hit kill" after I posted. Bu since the Avengers normally don't kill, and the OP doesn't specify "to the death," I would assume intent to kill would be more on Authority than Avengers(maybe they'd go for the kill if any of their team mates die though). And like I said, my initial ranking of Apollo on Thing's level was solely on the comics I myself have read. The most impressive thing I remember in those was him ripping apart a bridge. Scans of later stuff definitely upped him my mind, but you're right about he can be variable. I'm looking forward to reading more feats and showings for him myself when I get to AUTHORITY in my pile of Wildstorm stuff. And thanks for the props. Reminds me of when I impressed you with my knowledge for someone who admits to not being an expert on them.
Originally posted by krisblaze
Stormwatch is good.It's like a great beast trying to wrestle free from the chains of the 90s.
lol. I dunno about that, but it's Ellis, so it was a good book at least up until the time Authority started.
Originally posted by Golgo13
Stormwatch, Authority, Wildcats 3.0. All good. 😎
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During the same time, Wildstorm was killing it with shorter-run stuff like Planetary and Ex Machina. There was a point in the early 2000's when I would have easily called it the most consistently great company in comics. A shame it folded.