Originally posted by Shabazz916
how ?
Many of the initial African slaves were sold to European slave traders by other Black Africans. It was common for a powerful African tribe to conquer a weaker tribe and then sell those captured people for goods to the white man. There were also small groups of black slave traders who would kidnap their own people and sell them as slaves.
It wasn't until later when a solid slave population was had that white slave owners would "breed" their own slaves.
Originally posted by Robtard
Many of the initial African slaves were sold to European slave traders by other Black Africans. It was common for a powerful African tribe to conquer a weaker tribe and then sell those captured people for goods to the white man. There were also small groups of black slave traders who would kidnap their own people and sell them as slaves.It wasn't until later when a solid slave population was had that white slave owners would "breed" their own slaves.
its common for victors to tell the story how they want to tell it.. epecially when there is no one to tell any different
slavery has always been a part of most African cultures. Traditionally it would involve prisoners of war or debtors, or it would be a way of "fixing" troublemakers like drunks by forcing them to clean up their act through hard labor.
That was the main difference between African slavery and American/European slavery, which was about making people money.
As for Shabazz's post at the top of the page: what the Hell is "original black culture?"
Is he suggesting that there's some kind of monolithic African culture rather than hundreds if not thousands of individual tribes and nations with their own languages and customs and folkways? Man, put that NOI/Black Panther/UNIA/Negritude Pan-African bullshit away.
Originally posted by Shabazz916Actually I had a black history teacher who taught me this when I was a school.
to bad no one believes africans were sold... accept if u listen to it from white ppl's mouths...
Oh, and who is "no one"? Because history teachers and professors, anyone who has actually researched the subject, aka people whose opinions actually matter, agree that African tribes would conquer smaller ones and sell them as slaves, be it to other powerful tribes or, when the Europeans were offering their trade goods, to "white people".
I'm sorry that life is not and hasn't been as black and white (lul) as you wanted it to be. I wasn't trying to shift blame from the Europeans to the Africans for the slave trade and was merely making a joke. Both did immoral by today's standards acts, although the Europeans immorality was probably more far-reaching and damaging, meaning it's more "their fault" than the African tribes who sold slaves.
Why do you refuse to accept this widely-understood historical fact though?
Originally posted by Omega VisionTo be fair, he didn't necessarily mean that.
Is he suggesting that there's some kind of monolithic African culture rather than hundreds if not thousands of individual tribes and nations with their own languages and customs and folkways? Man, put that NOI/Black Panther/UNIA/Negritude Pan-African bullshit away.
His wording could mean there was just one black culture, but it could also have meant that regardless of what culture any given black man, woman, or child was under, it was taken from them. "Original" could just have been referring to the individual's original culture.
Originally posted by NemeBro
To be fair, he didn't necessarily mean that.His wording could mean there was just one black culture, but it could also have meant that regardless of what culture any given black man, woman, or child was under, it was taken from them. "Original" could just have been referring to the individual's original culture.
Originally posted by dadudemonMy genius grand dad went from poor to niddle class during that time. North italy, he was badically a corlione. Went from boxing to being barber to accounting.
This is incorrect in the past tense sense of your statement.Italians, from 1880s-1940s were one of, and for extended periods of time, the most discriminated against ethnicity in America. As I've said before, the "record" for the most people lynched at once is not African Americans, it is Italian Americans.
There are two reasons that Italians are now above the population average in socioeconomic Status:
1. Many of the Italians were light enough that they could blend in with their white counter-parts by cleaning up their language and Americanizing their names. But this does not even come close to explaining the difference: it only explains a small portion of the Italian American population. As fact, the vast majority of Italians that immigrated were southern Italians (just take a look at history to see why they were leaving, en masse).
2. The Italians came to America for very different reasons than Sub-Saharan Africans: they came to America for better opportunities and to escape a shitty-ass country.To flesh this out even better, many of the same issues that African Americans face currently and in the past were faced with even more officially sanctioned racism and they (Italian Americans) still rose above it: To quote myself:
"...from what I found, all of those [racist institutions] applied to Italians: judicial system, policing, and commercial organizations were very much against Italians. I never knew that there were "Italian Lynchings" in America. There were anti-Italian laws, too. It wasn't just some "disparate impact" legislation, either: it was specific to Italians. There were quotas put in place on the number of people allowed from countries (lol). I guess it was getting bad. There were local laws, too, like no Italians loitering n'stuff."
And to dispute the first point I made above, inimalist had this to say:
"I'd just say there are far more salient historical reasons than simply 'blacks [or Italians] look different' or 'have different names'."
I also had this to say:
Basically, Italians made their place, despite being lower on the rung than even African Americans, through hard work and assimilating faster.
If African Americans want to see similar success, as a whole, that Italian Americans have, they must do the same things as a whole: work their asses off so that in 2 generations, they have similar SES to the population average.
Ain't that some shit? Imagine if there was a paradigm shift in the subculture of African Americans that emphasized education and hard work? If you're not black in America, you really do not know what it is like growing up and being called "white boy" or "Uncle Tom" for just wanting a good education and a job. It is tough to overcome that and some do. Some tell those people "**** you. I'm getting a great education, I'm going to study, I'm going to work hard, and **** this shithole."*
*That's pretty much with the Italians said when they emigrated out of Italy. 😐
Originally posted by Robtard
So you were once called a WOP yet managed to overcome it 👆
That's too close to home, man:
But, yeah, marginalizing racism is pretty dumb. It is still racism. Just because my people have been more industrious than others, does not mean it is okay to be racist against them...unless they are Jersey Shore types...then it is okay.
Ahhhhh...I get it, now. I see why people in the black community don't like the degenerates in their group. Lawd Jeezus, I just had an epiphany and I understand the "black-on-black" hate I'm seeing in this thread.
Yah, I ask that sometimes. My Mom is super afro-centric, typical "The White Man is dirt" type- she's always put African culture on this pedestal that I don't quite understand. I mean, I'm sure Africans have their fair share of cultural or technological achievements, but so has every other culture.
Everything I've read about African cultures more or less depicts them as always having been Imperialistic warring **** faces who fought over scarce resources, even before the Europeans' meddling.