Re: Re: If Thanos is a 100 in Formidability....
Originally posted by h1a8....
In a forum setting and at Full Capacity1. SS=200
2. Thor=70
2a. BRB=65
3. Hulk (Average mad)=50
4 . Hulk (WBH)=200
5. Superman=150
6. MM=90
7. WW=110
8. DD=100
9. Despero=90
10. Mangog (Average SA and later showings)=80
11. Larfleeze=?
12. Lord Mar vell=65
13. Kingdom Gog=?
14. Odin=200
15. DP Tyrant=150
Da Fuq.
Re: Re: Re: If Thanos is a 100 in Formidability....
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Carver, you just lost ALL credibility with your Hulk average rating. Are you mad?? Seriously, this is not even a measure of strength, it's FORMIDABILITY, the entire package!! Hulk can't ****ing fly, he can be drained and he can't easily return from removal! Take off the Hulk gloves for a second.
In Carver's defense...
FORMIDABLE
adjective
1.
causing fear, apprehension, or dread
2.
of discouraging or awesome strength, size, difficulty, etc.; intimidating
adjective
3.
arousing feelings of awe or admiration because of grandeur, strength, etc.
4.
of great strength; forceful; powerful
Most of that pretty accurately describes the Hulk.
The OP leaves things wide open to interpretation, and so, arguments by using this word whether by accident or design.
Re: If Thanos is a 100 in Formidability....
ALL OF YOUR LISTS ARE TERRIBLE! SHAME ON YOU. SHAME. ON. YOU!
A good way of approaching such list is by looking at it in a way, where YOU would have to face these characters, while either being Spider-Man, Superman, Odin or maybe even Galactus!
But maybe also a team of superheroes, who would have to face that one single opponent, if that makes it easier to determine their formidability.
THANOS = 100
Thanos carries insane tech, which boosts his durability greatly, to a point, where he can tank Black Bolt's screams, withstand Odin for a while and even take an attack from Omega. He has enough strength to kill High Heralds with mere strikes and has such a strong mind, that telepathy is fairly useless against him.
However, Thanos does have two problems, which are the reason why he won't be too much higher than some of the High Heralds on the list.
1. Thanos is not a fast character. In fact his track record against fast characters in extremely bad... He couldn't even catch Spider-Man. A character like Superman could be dancing in circles around Thanos. If faster characters don't want to tag them, he won't tag them, unless they make a mistake.
2. Thanos relies on tech... and this is something that might upset the hardcore Thanos fans on this board, but Thanos insane durability is a byproduct from his battle armor, which he always wears and force fields, which he can use.
I've read stories with Thanos stating that he would have been in a lot of trouble, if it wasn't for his battle armor and without his battle armor he has suffered from damage faster than usually (like in the Maker fight).
Imagine Superman speedblitzing Thanos ans stripping him naked off his tech :-D In a well written comic Gladiator would do the same to Thanos and be much more effective with mere strikes afterwards.
A matter manipulator might be able to simply remove Thanos armor and force field devices.
... AND NOW THE REAL DEAL!
HULK (Average mad) & HULK (Really pissed) = 30
It's the same, really... A really pissed Hulk (not considering World Breaker) doesn't develop any new powers, which let him deal with threats any different than a calmer version can.
Hulk has the striking, the strength and the durability / healing factor to compete with the strongest, but he falls short big time, when it comes to the versatility department... If Hulk has to deal with someone, where smashing is not enough, then he has a problem. If Hulk has to deal with someone, who is speedwise much faster than him, then he has a problem. If Hulk has to fly, then he has a problem. If Hulk has to BFR someone effectivly, then he has a problem. If Hulk has to attack someone directly from the distance, then he has a problem.
Hulk gets portrayed much better in comic books than he actually should and we all know it. Even Carver knows it. Hulk might win 5 out of 10 comic book battles against certain characters, but when it comes to board battles, he would lose all 10 of these fights against the same characters.
BETA RAY BILL = 55
It can be argued that Beta Ray Bill should be above Thor, because he has held his own against Thor and overall seems to be more willing to do what has to be done, but at the same time Thor simply has much more and much greater feats, which overall let him look more capable.
Bill has the same speed limitations, but less of a problem with the warrior spirit.
THOR = 60
Thor is powerful and wields the ultimate plot device in his right hand, but what limits him are his lack of speed and his warrior mindset sometimes.
1. Thor is not a fast character... Meta-humans like Spider-Man and Wolverine can typically dance circles around him.
2. And his warrior spirit lets him simply rush in and Mjolnir smash most of the time, rather than relying on its powerful magic and its many abilities. However, if Thor decides to go fully out with Mjolnir, then he is capable of causing great harm to many characters, who can't dodge it. The same applies for his striking with Mjolnir. Thor has pretty much some of the best striking feats in all of comic books.
Pre New 52 DOOMSDAY = 65
You might think that he is pretty low on the list, but the only reason for that might be the H/P version of Doomsday, right? Don't think that way... Doomsday is usually not portrayed like that. That was one story and yes, he was impressive, but his standards are much lower, when it comes to physical attributes.
He doesn't have the greatest versatility himself, but what speaks for him being above someone like Hulk and Thor is his superior speed (which is very underestimated) and he gets few extra points for his ability to adapt very, very quickly to new attacks, if we go by certain encounters.
He is also above Thor and Beta Ray Bill, because when you fight Doomsday, then you know that crap is about to go down, since he doesn't hold back at all and goes for the kill.
Pre New 52 WONDER WOMAN = 65
Similar to Superman, which you will read below... she has quite a few attributes speaking for her: strength, speed, durability, flight and fighting skill. However, she is less versatile, because he doesn't have any real ranged abilities and she also obviously has much less feats than Superman to really be a major threat, but we still know that she is a High Herald, who can compete with other High Heralds.
If you had the chance to fight against either Wonder Woman or Thor, I'm pretty sure that you would pick Thor, because chances are higher that you would have more time doing stuff with him being slower than Wonder Woman and also showcasing less skill than she does on a regular basis, so you might have a better chance of landing your own attacks.
Pre New 52 SUPERMAN = 70
There is quite a lot that speaks for Superman: He is strong, fast, invulnerable, can fly and also has ranged abilities like Heat Vision and Freeze Breath.
One might say that he is an all-around-package, but it's still nothing special. Superman relies on punching his opponents into submission and if he is facing someone, where punching is not enough, then DC comics simply write something stupid so that punching becomes enough once again... "Oh, Emperor Joker has gained reality warping powers? Nooo problem, we'll let Superman simply fly through his head and pretend that it almost killed an omnipotent being!"
The reason why Superman is above Thor, is mainly his speed and with Heat Vision and Freeze Breath he is juuust versatile enough to be a threat, but he still doesn't come close to someone like Silver Surfer and Thanos, who all can inflict planet busting damage and continue to fight like nothing happened, while exploding planets usually knock Superman out.
Pre New 52 MARTIAN MANHUNTER = 75
Pretty much all of Superman's powers and then even more: invisibility, intangibility, powerful telepathy and shapeshifting.
So basically if you're not an insanely powerful telepath as well, or at least have major telepathic resistances, there is no way you'll come close to beating this guy.
He has everything he needs to be one of the most powerful - if not the most powerful being on DC Earth, if it wasn't for his insane jobber aura. But the jobber aura is not the reason why he is not - for example - on Silver Surfers level.
Manhunters telepathy might be powerful enough to take out a lot of his enemies, but if he for some reason can't affect someone telepathically, then he has much less options than Silver Surfer to stay in the fight and he has less feats than Superman to be a bigger threat in the brawling department.
SILVER SURFER = 80
There is no doubt that Thanos is more powerful than the Silver Surfer, but when you fight against Thanos you have the time and the distance to deal with him easier than against someone like the Silver Surfer.
Silver Surfer might not be able to take the same amount of damage as Thanos, but he is much faster and if you're not fast yourself, you won't tag him.
Supposedly he could create a black hole in your head, or keep you busy in the front and trap you inside his board from behind.
He still has the damage output to destroy planets and just enough durability to last long enough to cause you some trouble, if you're not a very versatile trans level character.
Then there is also the Astral Plane.
What would keep the Silver Surfer back even in a well written fight are his strong morals.
MANGOG (Average SA and later showings) = 85
Mangog really shouldn't be that high on the list, but his overall strength and durability were on a point, where it was simply too much to overcome. Simply being faster and more versatile wasn't enough at that point. You also needed to have a similar amount of capability and we're talking about Skyfather levels now.
But at the same time it's not Surtur we're talking about, and Mangog also got downgraded throughout his existence.
Seeing him being somewhat afraid of Thanos and his overall downgrade are the reason, why he is below Thanos, but he is still a very problematic foe and even if you're fast and versatile, you also need to have the needed strength and durability to compete with him.
SENTRY = OVER 9000!!!
Sentry is the most beautiful character in the Marvel universe. Period.
Originally posted by Insane Titan
More nonsense than Thanos durability relies on tech. Care to post any proof to back this up?
Why are you calling it "nonsense"? If you consider yourself the Thanos expert on this site, then good for you, but you being the expert on something, doesn't mean that other people don't have their takes on something - wrong or right.
Use your knowledge to prove them otherwise, instead of immediately starting off aggressivly and by doing that already creating an uncomfortable debating environment.
This is my reason for believing that a big part of Thanos durability is his tech:
http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/5420/304xm.jpg
In that instance he states that he survived the attack thanks to three of his force fields and his armor, which at that point is destroyed.
It's a great showing for his tech overall and even a better showing for his opponent, since one of Thanos force fields is capable of blocking a lot of damage.
But then there is also his armor, which in eyes isn't simply a supervillain suit. He calls it armor and that armor took part in protecting him from the attack. So every time he runs around in his golden-blue suit, he wears armor, which is more than capable of absorbing a lot of damage.
Then I look at his encounter with the Maker, where he didn't have his armor and Maker's damage (be it direct damage or collateral damage) takes him out quicker than other instances have, where he tanked planetary explosions and stuff like that:
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Durability5_zps9bb69f11.jpg
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Durability51_zpsf1b0c251.jpg
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Durability53_zps54c6401f.jpg
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Enzeru...then you think like 90% Thanos fights had massively PIS (his being able to Tag guys far faster than him)?Imo Thanos does have superspeed in reflexes and reactions.
I don't necessarily think that its PIS, because Thanos for example is not the prime example, when it comes to PIS fights unlike Hulk, who straight up manages to tag faster characters, even though his greatest speed reaction and speed showings don't come even close to theirs.
When it comes to Thanos he either had bad showings in terms of speed, or the narration specifically stated that something was off.
Here is Thanos facing Eros and he has MASSIVE problems dealing with Eros speed advantage:
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Eros1_zpsa25ac2a8.jpg
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Eros2_zps64a956cb.jpg
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Eros3_zpsdc9ff684.jpg
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Eros4_zps87faf074.jpg
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Eros5_zpsd98281e9.jpg
Here is Thanos not being able to tag Captain Marvel and only manages to grab him, when Captain Marvel flies too slow and too low, but even there Captain Marvel manages to throw a punch, before Thanos can act:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/51088/2979162-8070293810-10009.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/53235/1000920-captain_marvel_v1___31___18.jpg
Here is the Runner massivly outspeeding Thanos:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/82914/3643027-7368651177-34189.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/82914/3643080-2226832520-runne.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/82914/3643081-4648541796-runne.jpg
And then there is even a screenshot of Thanos sending his guards after Spider-Man, because he can't catch him...
In all of those encounters Thanos lack of speed is being portrayed, when compared to faster characters. It's not me lowballing. There is absolutely not even a single showing that speaks for Thanos having some kind of super speed and the only arguable showing is wonky as ****, because it can also be argued that Silver Surfer simply missed his target.
Silver Surfer doesn't use his speed in fights against Thanos for the same reason Gladiator / Sentry don't use their speed in fights against the Hulk... Imagine how stupid Thanos and Hulk would look in a comic and how upset the fans would be, if they saw their favorite characters not being able to land a single hit. Yeah.
Re: Re: If Thanos is a 100 in Formidability....
Originally posted by leonidas
1. SS--60
2. Thor--60
2a. BRB--55
3. Hulk (Average mad)--45
4 . Hulk (Really pissed)--depends, are you talking wbh? if so ?? maybe 100, maybe a little higher
5. Superman--60
6. MM--55
7. WW--50
8. DD--hp? 100
9. Despero--70 though may vary
10. Mangog (Average SA and later showings)--100
11. Larfleeze--85
12. Lord Mar vell--75
13. Kingdom Gog--150
14. Odin--155
15. DP Tyrant--175
Pretty good actually, but it can be hard to judge some of these because Thanos fights usually have a healthy dose of CIS/PIS involved.
I might reduce SS even further because he relies entirely on energy attacks against Thanos, and that's something Thanos tanks pretty well. Thor I might up slightly because of Mjolnir and his higher showings, but his showings vary a lot.
DD - current yes. If it was one of his most powerful preboot versions I'd place him higher. Despero not sure, there are different versions and the most powerful would be higher. Mangog SA I'd put well over 100, but the character has been watered down over time.
Originally posted by Enzeruyou have a single instance of Thanos using his sheilds which he called for btw against a being twice as powerful as Galactus. You act like Maker was nothing , when Thanos fought her the madness she had was gone plus it was stated on panel she still had enough power to reverse the crunch energies.
Why are you calling it "nonsense"? If you consider yourself the Thanos expert on this site, then good for you, but you being the expert on something, doesn't mean that other people don't have their takes on something - wrong or right.Use your knowledge to prove them otherwise, instead of immediately starting off aggressivly and by doing that already creating an uncomfortable debating environment.
This is my reason for believing that a big part of Thanos durability is his tech:
http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/5420/304xm.jpgIn that instance he states that he survived the attack thanks to three of his force fields and his armor, which at that point is destroyed.
It's a great showing for his tech overall and even a better showing for his opponent, since one of Thanos force fields is capable of blocking a lot of damage.But then there is also his armor, which in eyes isn't simply a supervillain suit. He calls it armor and that armor took part in protecting him from the attack. So every time he runs around in his golden-blue suit, he wears armor, which is more than capable of absorbing a lot of damage.
Then I look at his encounter with the Maker, where he didn't have his armor and Maker's damage (be it direct damage or collateral damage) takes him out quicker than other instances have, where he tanked planetary explosions and stuff like that:
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Durability5_zps9bb69f11.jpg
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Durability51_zpsf1b0c251.jpg
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Durability53_zps54c6401f.jpgI don't necessarily think that its PIS, because Thanos for example is not the prime example, when it comes to PIS fights unlike Hulk, who straight up manages to tag faster characters, even though his greatest speed reaction and speed showings don't come even close to theirs.
When it comes to Thanos he either had bad showings in terms of speed, or the narration specifically stated that something was off.Here is Thanos facing Eros and he has MASSIVE problems dealing with Eros speed advantage:
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Eros1_zpsa25ac2a8.jpg
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Eros2_zps64a956cb.jpg
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Eros3_zpsdc9ff684.jpg
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Eros4_zps87faf074.jpg
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Eros5_zpsd98281e9.jpgHere is Thanos not being able to tag Captain Marvel and only manages to grab him, when Captain Marvel flies too slow and too low, but even there Captain Marvel manages to throw a punch, before Thanos can act:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/51088/2979162-8070293810-10009.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/53235/1000920-captain_marvel_v1___31___18.jpgHere is the Runner massivly outspeeding Thanos:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/82914/3643027-7368651177-34189.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/82914/3643080-2226832520-runne.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/82914/3643081-4648541796-runne.jpgAnd then there is even a screenshot of Thanos sending his guards after Spider-Man, because he can't catch him...
In all of those encounters Thanos lack of speed is being portrayed, when compared to faster characters. It's not me lowballing. There is absolutely not even a single showing that speaks for Thanos having some kind of super speed and the only arguable showing is wonky as ****, because it can also be argued that Silver Surfer simply missed his target.
Silver Surfer doesn't use his speed in fights against Thanos for the same reason Gladiator / Sentry don't use their speed in fights against the Hulk... Imagine how stupid Thanos and Hulk would look in a comic and how upset the fans would be, if they saw their favorite characters not being able to land a single hit. Yeah.
The amount of times he has not used sheilds far far out way the time he has. For instance just recently he never used his sheilds against Black Bolt and Thor or members of the Annihilators. He took hammer shits to the head from Thor and Ronanwith no effect.
It's a common myth he uses sheilds all the time when off hand I can name Odin, Maker, Tyrant , Lord Marvell , Silver Surfer and the Doppleganger plus his recent fights where he never use can sheild.
As for "battle Armor" argument he took a gas gaint exploding to the face without any Armor and was fine , that just shows how powerful Makers blast was.
Originally posted by Enzeru
Why are you calling it "nonsense"? If you consider yourself the Thanos expert on this site, then good for you, but you being the expert on something, doesn't mean that other people don't have their takes on something - wrong or right.Use your knowledge to prove them otherwise, instead of immediately starting off aggressivly and by doing that already creating an uncomfortable debating environment.
This is my reason for believing that a big part of Thanos durability is his tech:
http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/5420/304xm.jpgIn that instance he states that he survived the attack thanks to three of his force fields and his armor, which at that point is destroyed.
It's a great showing for his tech overall and even a better showing for his opponent, since one of Thanos force fields is capable of blocking a lot of damage.But then there is also his armor, which in eyes isn't simply a supervillain suit. He calls it armor and that armor took part in protecting him from the attack. So every time he runs around in his golden-blue suit, he wears armor, which is more than capable of absorbing a lot of damage.
Then I look at his encounter with the Maker, where he didn't have his armor and Maker's damage (be it direct damage or collateral damage) takes him out quicker than other instances have, where he tanked planetary explosions and stuff like that:
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Durability5_zps9bb69f11.jpg
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Durability51_zpsf1b0c251.jpg
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Durability53_zps54c6401f.jpgI don't necessarily think that its PIS, because Thanos for example is not the prime example, when it comes to PIS fights unlike Hulk, who straight up manages to tag faster characters, even though his greatest speed reaction and speed showings don't come even close to theirs.
When it comes to Thanos he either had bad showings in terms of speed, or the narration specifically stated that something was off.Here is Thanos facing Eros and he has MASSIVE problems dealing with Eros speed advantage:
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Eros1_zpsa25ac2a8.jpg
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Eros2_zps64a956cb.jpg
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Eros3_zpsdc9ff684.jpg
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Eros4_zps87faf074.jpg
http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o783/dbzrk/Eros5_zpsd98281e9.jpgHere is Thanos not being able to tag Captain Marvel and only manages to grab him, when Captain Marvel flies too slow and too low, but even there Captain Marvel manages to throw a punch, before Thanos can act:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/51088/2979162-8070293810-10009.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/53235/1000920-captain_marvel_v1___31___18.jpgHere is the Runner massivly outspeeding Thanos:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/82914/3643027-7368651177-34189.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/82914/3643080-2226832520-runne.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/82914/3643081-4648541796-runne.jpgAnd then there is even a screenshot of Thanos sending his guards after Spider-Man, because he can't catch him...
In all of those encounters Thanos lack of speed is being portrayed, when compared to faster characters. It's not me lowballing. There is absolutely not even a single showing that speaks for Thanos having some kind of super speed and the only arguable showing is wonky as ****, because it can also be argued that Silver Surfer simply missed his target.
Silver Surfer doesn't use his speed in fights against Thanos for the same reason Gladiator / Sentry don't use their speed in fights against the Hulk... Imagine how stupid Thanos and Hulk would look in a comic and how upset the fans would be, if they saw their favorite characters not being able to land a single hit. Yeah.
That's the thing though... you cited instances where he didn't use his shields... He didn't use them against black bolt... didn't use them against Thor.. Hyperion... BRB.. Ronan etc.. You say he used them against Odin and I disagree with that.. even if you wanna say he did in that one panel... he later walked through a concentrated blast from Odin.. along with tanking other stronger blasts after... Didn't use them against Tyrant... Hasn't used them in tanking blasts after blasts from Surfer... Didn't use them against Magus with IG.... Point is, he's tanked much more without his shielding than with
He's shown that he can deal with speed and has good reactions times... See the fallen one incident.. His thing was bullrushing people and he was a translight character... He tried that with Thanos and he promptly stopped him in his tracks. He's stopped Thor hammer mid flight.. HIs hand was down... Thor throws his hammer (we've seen how fast Thor can throw it...) He raises his hand in time to stop the hammer mid flight. Look at his fight with maker again.... he deflects energy blasts at point blank range which would take very very good reaction speed. He's teleported out of the way of SS blasts after they are fired... again we know how fast energy blasts should be in theory. Thanos has a long long history of good reaction speed... it's no surprise he can deal with speed and this is another area you're wrong in about Thanos.
Re: Re: Re: Re: If Thanos is a 100 in Formidability....
Originally posted by riv6672
In Carver's defense...[b]FORMIDABLE
adjective
1.
causing fear, apprehension, or dread
2.
of discouraging or awesome strength, size, difficulty, etc.; intimidatingadjective
3.
arousing feelings of awe or admiration because of grandeur, strength, etc.
4.
of great strength; forceful; powerfulMost of that pretty accurately describes the Hulk.
The OP leaves things wide open to interpretation, and so, arguments by using this word whether by accident or design. [/B]
Yep, this is exactly what I was thinking thus thread was.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
That's the thing though... you cited instances where he didn't use his shields...
He had his battle armor on during all those instances. And he has used his shields against lesser opponents like Silver Surfer and Champion.
I'm not saying that Thanos is only durable, because he has his armor and his force fields. I'm saying that they add a fair amount to his durability. He had his armor, while tanking Black Bolt's screams and they started ripping his armor apart.
What I'm saying is that if Thanos somehow loses his force fields and armor, a good chunk of his durability / ability to absorb damage is gone.
You were describing comic book fights and comic book fights are always different than board battles, because in board battles we take everything into consideration. Which leads us to the other part of your post:
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
He's shown that he can deal with speed and has good reactions times... See the fallen one incident.. His thing was bullrushing people and he was a translight character... He tried that with Thanos and he promptly stopped him in his tracks. He's stopped Thor hammer mid flight.. HIs hand was down... Thor throws his hammer (we've seen how fast Thor can throw it...) He raises his hand in time to stop the hammer mid flight. Look at his fight with maker again.... he deflects energy blasts at point blank range which would take very very good reaction speed. He's teleported out of the way of SS blasts after they are fired... again we know how fast energy blasts should be in theory. Thanos has a long long history of good reaction speed... it's no surprise he can deal with speed and this is another area you're wrong in about Thanos.
That's a bunch of biased text.
You're making the same mistake as every Hulk fan, who argues that Hulk can keep up with a character like Gladiator / Sentry / Silver Surfer / Superman / Wonder Woman / [insert any other fast character here].
Hulk can't keep up with them and neither can Thanos. When Hulk tags someone as fast as Gladiator, then it's PIS / CIS and WIS all in one. Hulk should never be able to tag someone, who operates in nano-seconds. Hulk simply doesn't have that kind of a speed. And neither does Thanos.
We can compare movement speeds and reaction speeds between speedsters and Thanos, if you want. But to be honest with you, I really don't want to invest time into it, because wouldn't be able to win that debate.
Thanos tagging someone like Silver Surfer is straight up PIS, where Silver Surfer gets dumbed down to Thanos' speed levels for the sake of the fight and the overall plot and by doing so, the writer goes over corpses by totally ignoring all the speed showings Silver Surfer had in the past and which tell us that Thanos would never even come close to making a move against Silver Surfer.
(But I think that Silver Surfer is the worst example for all of that. There are better examples like Gladiator, Sentry, Superman and so on).
Thanos can't tag them, no matter what you as a Thanos fan want to be true.
Originally posted by Enzeru
He had his battle armor on during all those instances. And he has used his shields against lesser opponents like Silver Surfer and Champion.I'm not saying that Thanos is only durable, because he has his armor and his force fields. I'm saying that they add a fair amount to his durability. He had his armor, while tanking Black Bolt's screams and they started ripping his armor apart.
What I'm saying is that if Thanos somehow loses his force fields and armor, a good chunk of his durability / ability to absorb damage is gone.You were describing comic book fights and comic book fights are always different than board battles, because in board battles we take everything into consideration. Which leads us to the other part of your post:
That's a bunch of biased text.
You're making the same mistake as every Hulk fan, who argues that Hulk can keep up with a character like Gladiator / Sentry / Silver Surfer / Superman / Wonder Woman / [insert any other fast character here].
Hulk can't keep up with them and neither can Thanos. When Hulk tags someone as fast as Gladiator, then it's PIS / CIS and WIS all in one. Hulk should never be able to tag someone, who operates in nano-seconds. Hulk simply doesn't have that kind of a speed. And neither does Thanos.
We can compare movement speeds and reaction speeds between speedsters and Thanos, if you want. But to be honest with you, I really don't want to invest time into it, because wouldn't be able to win that debate.
Thanos tagging someone like Silver Surfer is straight up PIS, where Silver Surfer gets dumbed down to Thanos' speed levels for the sake of the fight and the overall plot and by doing so, the writer goes over corpses by totally ignoring all the speed showings Silver Surfer had in the past and which tell us that Thanos would never even come close to making a move against Silver Surfer.(But I think that Silver Surfer is the worst example for all of that. There are better examples like Gladiator, Sentry, Superman and so on).
Thanos can't tag them, no matter what you as a Thanos fan want to be true.
I literally see no connection with his battle armor and some significant increase in durability because of it. You haven't come close to proving your case in that regard. Put it this way.. show me narration that says his battle armor increase his durability in any kind of significant manner. You haven't shown that in the least. I cited actually feats from Thanos that back up my case that he HAS dealt with speed and numerous times.
You keep on brining up the PIS or CIS card like Thanos' is some kinda normal human. We're talking about a mutant being from a technologically and physiologically advanced race. A race that can teleport use TK and TP etc etc... yet you act like he's has human level speed or something. He doesn't and isn't like Hulk in this regard. It's totally and completely plausible that he also has good reflexes to go along with all the other abilities he has. You're also discounting that he's a genius and superb tactician. Thus, much like in real life sports, people with advanced minds can see things before they happen. Can develop strats on the fly to attain them victory. Why would Thanos be any different. If he can read what SS might do or go or be at.. and then anticipate such movement.. why is that so hard for you to believe? IT should be, yet it is.
You're going by why YOU think should happen... to be frank.. nobody really care what YOU THINK at Marvel. On this forum and in anything really we go by proof and facts. The facts produced by Marvel suggest he can deal with speed and has good reaction feats. THEY gave him those feats and feel he has that powerset. You thinking he shouldn't or not liking it has NO bearing on anything. He has the feats to back up the claims made... it's that simple. NO amount of nah or no way or I don't believe that is weighted more than facts. Sorry bud
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: If Thanos is a 100 in Formidability....
Originally posted by Insane Titan
keep trolling then hopefully you may get your wish and make friends sock
Originally posted by carver9
Yep, this is exactly what I was thinking thus thread was.
Originally posted by carver9
Both Thanos and Hulk has shown reflexes that proves they could hit the characters Enzu mentioned. He is going to believe what he wants.
Carver, do you want to compare Hulk's speed feats with Sentry's speed feats? Yeah, that's what I thought.
Now shut up and go and post some more fights, where a Hulk lands a good shot, but hide away the rest of the fight, where he gets his face smashed in afterwards.
