Originally posted by Nephthys
Ok. So despite having no real advantages, while Malgus has a big one on him, he still wins because you like him more. Makes sense.
He's slightly stronger, notably faster, notably more powerful, significantly more skilled, notably more durable, and has a greater range of esoteric powers.
Also, Vader has been working for over 20 years to build himself in defense of Malgus's "big advantage". As of TFU II, with his built in insulation and force resistance, he can handle lightning better than almost anybody.
Team 1 has the advantage.
Plagueis and Bane are very close in power. Bane has more arcane capabilities but when it comes right down to it Plagueis has the upper-hand. Plagueis is slightly stronger in the Force, he makes more calculation per second during a fight and therefore is a slightly better tactician. Every advantage Plagueis has is minute, but he has the overall advantage none-the-less.
Vader and Malgus are also close. Vader only lost to Starkiller because the latter had a greater versatility in force augmented lightsaber combat and superior stamina, though he was weaker in the Force and slightly less of a tactician over-all. Vader stood his ground better against Starkiller II, who was his equal in the Force, but only because Vader trained minute weaknesses in Starkiller II's lightsaber style. Vader lost to Luke because a) he was hesitant to kill his son, b) his inner conflict wasn't just inhibiting his rage, but his ability to think tactically (similar to his battle with Kenobi on Mustafar), and c) Luke had the superior stamina and was using Force rage to win that bout. That being said, normally, Vader is stronger in the Force than Malgus and is the superior tactician. Furthermore, and this is the deciding - despite the fact that Malgus has slightly better versatility (not as much as Galen Marek who utilized more TK and lightning based attacks than Malgus or even Dooku) is that Malgus' style is high-octane and very similar to Vader's, although Vader may have poorer stamina his strength-endurance and precision (mechanical limbs) gives him the slight upper-hand against Malgus.
Revan may win against Dooku due to his superior versatility, similar to why Starkiller beat Vader on TDS I, as Revan had comparable versatility to Starkiller II - definitely more versatility than Starkiller. Although, Dooku was Windu's rival in swordsmanship; a better duelist, but less apt at winning battles but Windu won a duel with a worn-out Sidious (thanks to his shatterpoint charism). All in all, Revan still wins as he's in Dooku and Windu's league as a swordsman and stronger in the Force than all but Bane, Plagueis, Yoda, and Sidious. Although it's debatable as to whether or not he was stronger than Vader in the Force; possible he was, possible he wasn't.
Plagueis vs Bane
First, I want to say that I think Plagueis > TPM Sidious.
TPM's Sidious feats include killing waves or robots and incapacitating waves of aliens of a primitive warrior race.
Bane had feats where he killed those techno-beasts and Andeddu's worshippers.
Plagueis and Bane both didn't do too well against assassins, but both did poorly because plot reasons. Bane was drugged and Cognus was partially severing his connection to the force. Plagueis had to hide his force powers at first.
Plagueis had Midi-chlorian manipulation while Bane had Darth Revan's esoteric powers (thought bomb, the forest fire thing, etc), essence transfer, and other powers from other holocrons.
Plagueis' TK ripped people apart and his lightning could illuminate entire caves and valleys. Bane's lightning could disintegrate people and he could ragdoll the other Dark Lords from his time period (see Quordis).
Plagueis is fast enough that droids cannot sense him. Bane could dodge raindrops.
I think Bane could put up a fight against Plagueis, but would ultimately lose.
Verdict: Plagueis > Bane
Vader vs Malgus
I don't like Malgus so I am going to lowball him and say Vader > Malgus.
Verdict: Vader > Malgus
Revan vs Dooku
Both Jedi were pretty much the best of their era.
Sabers: Malak was known for his combat prowess on the battlefield. Revan was able to best Malak. Dooku was an expert duelist and could go toe to toe with some of the best from his era. I'd give Dooku the edge in sabers.
Force: Dooku's TK could lift giant stones. On a nexus, he could completely ragdoll Ventress with just a finger. A single burst of his lightning could kill a whole squad of clones, but it was easily blocked (unlike Sidious' lightning). Revan was supposedly killing Rancors with his lightning. His TK allowed him to levitate. His tutaminis was incredible and the esoteric powers his holocron taught Bane were beyond anything we've seen from Dooku. I'd give Revan an edge in the force.
Verdict: This one could go either way.
Final Conclusion
This would be a good fight. Neither team would win easily, but I'm leaning towards team 1.
Originally posted by red8
Plagueis vs BaneFirst, I want to say that I think Plagueis > TPM Sidious.
TPM's Sidious feats include killing waves or robots and incapacitating waves of aliens of a primitive warrior race.
Bane had feats where he killed those techno-beasts and Andeddu's worshippers.
Plagueis and Bane both didn't do too well against assassins, but both did poorly because plot reasons. Bane was drugged and Cognus was partially severing his connection to the force. Plagueis had to hide his force powers at first.
Plagueis had Midi-chlorian manipulation while Bane had Darth Revan's esoteric powers (thought bomb, the forest fire thing, etc), essence transfer, and other powers from other holocrons.
Plagueis' TK ripped people apart and his lightning could illuminate entire caves and valleys. Bane's lightning could disintegrate people and he could ragdoll the other Dark Lords from his time period (see Quordis).
Plagueis is fast enough that droids cannot sense him. Bane could dodge raindrops.
I think Bane could put up a fight against Plagueis, but would ultimately lose.
Verdict: Plagueis > Bane
Vader vs Malgus
I don't like Malgus so I am going to lowball him and say Vader > Malgus.
Verdict: Vader > Malgus
Revan vs Dooku
Both Jedi were pretty much the best of their era.
Sabers: Malak was known for his combat prowess on the battlefield. Revan was able to best Malak. Dooku was an expert duelist and could go toe to toe with some of the best from his era. I'd give Dooku the edge in sabers.
Force: Dooku's TK could lift giant stones. On a nexus, he could completely ragdoll Ventress with just a finger. A single burst of his lightning could kill a whole squad of clones, but it was easily blocked (unlike Sidious' lightning). Revan was supposedly killing Rancors with his lightning. His TK allowed him to levitate. His tutaminis was incredible and the esoteric powers his holocron taught Bane were beyond anything we've seen from Dooku. I'd give Revan an edge in the force.
Verdict: This one could go either way.
Final Conclusion
This would be a good fight. Neither team would win easily, but I'm leaning towards team 1.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
I don't.... WHAT?
2) In KotOR, Revan and Malak were stated as being some the the greatest Jedi of their era. Even if Revan isn't the top dog in TOR, he's still one of the greatest Jedi of that era as well.
Yoda considered Dooku to be one of his greatest students (and his greatest failure).
1) My argument against Malgus is solid. You have to believe me.
Originally posted by red8
2) In KotOR, Revan and Malak were stated as being some the the greatest Jedi of their era. Even if Revan isn't the top dog in TOR, he's still one of the greatest Jedi of that era as well.Yoda considered Dooku to be one of his greatest students (and his greatest failure).
1) My argument against Malgus is solid. You have to believe me.
1)Yea... no.