Plagueis, OT Vader and RotS Dooku vs. DoE Bane, Revan Reborn and Malgus

I think Plagueis is a bit more powerful than Bane and same applies to Vader and Malgus. Revan would take Dooku but I think team 1 gets this in a really close fight.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
He's slightly stronger, notably faster, notably more powerful, significantly more skilled, notably more durable, and has a greater range of esoteric powers.

Also, Vader has been working for over 20 years to build himself in defense of Malgus's "big advantage". As of TFU II, with his built in insulation and force resistance, he can handle lightning better than almost anybody.

I might be incline to give him the slight strength edge, yes. Slight, though.

Notably faster? That's a load of BS. Malgus easily matches him in speed. Vader is notably less maneuverable though.

Nah, he's not more powerful. Malgus embraced the darkside far more fully than Vader did. His power rivals Vaders, easily.

Nor is he significantly more skilled, either.

And I highly doubt he's that much more durable. Malgus' armor repelled lightsaber strikes, just as Vader's did and he walked away from getting blasted into a cliff and having it fall on him, after already tanking assault cannon fire and a thermal detonator to the face.

What esoteric powers?

I don't see your point. It's still an advantage that Malgus has that Vader doesn't. Marek was able to force Vader back with lightning and then defeat him with it. Malgus' lightning is superior to Mareks.

I might be incline to give him the slight strength edge, yes. Slight, though.

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Notably faster? That's a load of BS.

He's definitely faster, based on feats.

Vader is notably less maneuverable though.

That is true, I had forgotten about that.

Nah, he's not more powerful.

Vader's more powerful than just about anybody.

Nor is he significantly more skilled, either.

Oh, he definitely is. His skill feats already match Malgus's pre-ANH, and between then and ESB he is stated to have become a far more formidable duelist, and between then and RotJ stronger still.

And I highly doubt he's that much more durable. Malgus' armor repelled lightsaber strikes, just as Vader's did and he walked away from getting blasted into a cliff and having it fall on him, after already tanking assault cannon fire and a thermal detonator to the face.

We've seen Vader have 3 limbs slashed off and continue to fight.

What esoteric powers?

TP, Kinetite, dabbling in Magic, etc.

Vader has lots of power, such as superior skill, durability, strength, TK, TP, creativeness, however speed ?

No, Vader is not fast.

Vader has moved faster than thought, has ran invisibly fast, has produced afterimages behind his blade, formed a shield out of his lightsaber blade, has deflected fire from dozens of shooters, etc.

Faster than thought is obviously hyperbole. Moving faster than the eye can see is a mid-tier speed feat in SW. Producing afterimages and forming a shield by spinning his saber is as well. And I thought he only actually deflected fire from 3 of those shooters.

I don't want to lowball Vader here, but I will just say that Vader has been stated as ''slow'' by average jedi and outmaneuvered via agility by average jedi more than once.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
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Do you think Vader might be the strongest Djem So user in the mythos? The only ones I can think of who rival him are Malgus and Bane.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
He's definitely faster, based on feats.

No, he isn't. None of what you mentioned was as fast Aryn's feats and although she was faster than Malgus, he kept up with her fine and also became much more powerful after their duel.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
That is true, I had forgotten about that.

Malgus isn't the most agile of dudes himself, but he still front-flips over Satele at the start of their fight, is very quick on his feet and in moving his body and jumps around quite a bit. Going off of the trailers.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Vader's more powerful than just about anybody.

Not Malgus.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Oh, he definitely is. His skill feats already match Malgus's pre-ANH, and between then and ESB he is stated to have become a far more formidable duelist, and between then and RotJ stronger still.

Malgus' skill simply has less elaboration than Vader's does. He was one of the greatest warriors in the Empire even before the war, 40 years before his prime and was constantly fighting and improving himself. He outdueled some of the premier duelists of his era.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
We've seen Vader have 3 limbs slashed off and continue to fight.

Because he has mechanical limbs. 😬

Also that's not durability.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
TP, Kinetite, dabbling in Magic, etc.

Hardly ground-breaking. Kinetite is just focused TK, similar to how Malgus' Maelstrom is just TK, Barrier and Lightning combined. And since when was TP considered esoteric?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Faster than thought is obviously hyperbole. Moving faster than the eye can see is a mid-tier speed feat in SW. Producing afterimages and forming a shield by spinning his saber is as well.

I agree, people use this skill like its something special. Vader isnt an exceptionally fast guy.

Just watch ANH people 😎

Originally posted by Sinious
I agree, people use this skill like its something special. Vader isnt an exceptionally fast guy.

Just watch ANH people 😎

That was way before his prime, and that obviously isn't reflective of the feats Newguy posted as they're all superior showings. Malgus has very few speed feats and they're all showings Vader has done. Even in spite of Aryn's speed, Malgus kept up with her and outfought her. Speed is not an issue for Vader, unless your someone like Plagueis or Palpatine.

Originally posted by carthage
That was way before his prime, and that obviously isn't reflective of the feats Newguy posted as they're all superior showings.

Aren't all the feats Newguy posted before ANH?

I was joking about ANH... Of course he isnt that slow.

Originally posted by Stigma
Plagueis is the fastest combatant here and even while sustaining grave injuries he can easily atomize dozens of opponents.

Originally posted by Arhael
He cannot atomize anyone, it's a misconception. In book it says "all but atomized". Basically book doesn't say what exactly happened to them but you can imagine anything but being atomized.

With a wave or his hand he disintegrated the ones closest near them, even if it was partial (which there is no evidence for) thats still a tremendous amount of energy to break down armored torso and most of their bodies. This is a feat well beyond the power of anyone on team 2, he did this unamped and still wasnt going full force by his own admission

Faster than thought is obviously hyperbole.

Unless Zannah does it, of course. 😛

Moving faster than the eye can see is a mid-tier speed feat in SW.

I would consider it a high-tier, Malgus and Aryn were both "almost" faster than the eye could see. To move invisibly fast is extremely impressive.

Producing afterimages and forming a shield by spinning his saber is as well.

Producing afterimages of your lightsabers is at least mid-tier, and producing afterimages of your person is higher-tier, I'd say.

And again, Malgus really doesn't have that many impressive feats as far as speed go.

And I thought he only actually deflected fire from 3 of those shooters.

You're mixing up Vader with Malgus, funnily enough.