Originally posted by Emperordmb
In any case, Vader being from another era does not make Revan's accolades invalid. Some accolades relate to the entire history of Star Wars, and some accolades, even if they are time period based they do compare Revan to others with great feats. And as I have said before I have never seen Ant use accolades as his sole argument. He uses accolades such as these in conjunction and as supplements to Revan's feats, which is a perfectly reasonable style of debating.I have never seen Ant shy away from using feats, accolades can be used in debating, and I haven't seen Ant get curbstomped or be on the losing end of the majority of his debates.
I have never seen Ant not back up his claims or ignore the points made by others.
You publicly endorse and applaud a debater who does everything you accused Ant of doing (ie. ignoring stuff, acting as if their opinion is fact, being rude and aggressive, being uncivil), even going so far as to refer to him as "your son," and you support him for the sole reason that he has PT era peeps>Everyone else.
A person agreeing or disagreeing with the majority of your viewpoints does not determine how good of a debater they are.
And don't accuse Ant of being another LeGenD, as I have never seen Ant flat out contradict canon statements in the way that LeGenD and even "your son" tend to do.
I think you need to go back and read what I wrote before jumping in. I never claimed that accolades didn't matter, however Revan's accolades have nothing to do with Vader, and therefore to not trump Vader's superiority in feats over Revan. Whereas many of Vader's accolades do reach to Revan's time period, as does Dooku's.
I didn't say Ant doesn't bring up feats in debates, but when he is unable to bring superior feats to the table against a character he is debating against, he falls back on quotes, which for the most part do not support his arguments. Also, I flat out said why I compared Ant to LeGenD, which is his attitude when he can't force his opinions on others. I didn't compare their overall style of debating. You're missing just about my entire point. Again, go back and read what I wrote before making a fool of yourself. You're making yourself look like an idiot by missing clear points I've made.
Carthage has lowballed many characters from the PT era, so it has nothing to do with who he supports. I just admire how he calls it as he sees it. I can't help that you're unable to debunk the claims he make against your favorite character.
@Neph, given that Vitiate didn't have godlike powers (not without prep anyway), if he was so paranoid as you suggest then he certainly wouldn't gather large portions of powerful force users and give them opportunities to enhance their own power, and he certainly wouldn't go to a great extent to expand his empire with millions of force users with dark councils, dread masters, etc, to help him run it. Palpatine, on the other hand, usually had one very powerful apprentice at all times, and made it his priority to eliminate or replace his apprentice with their own apprentice if he thought it would come down to them trying to overthrow him. Lucas has made this very clear about Sidious. And while Sidious did search for an apprentice who was potentially more powerful than him, he held back many secrets from them, and usually had a power over them that could be used against them. Plus, he had established an empire made up of people very loyal to him, so Vader just walking in and killing Sidious could have put him up against a galaxy spanning empire.
Sidious basically had a plan for every eventuality. Vader has even noted that overthrowing Sidious would be difficult for that very reason.
It wasn't until after it was believed that Sidious had mastered nearly all force powers, that he started to establish a Dark Empire.
Originally posted by psmith81992
Well I don't know about having a bigger dick and I've long since stopped debating star wars but insecure children are funny to me.
No, you're more interested in arguing topics about gays.
You constantly log on a SW vs forum to try to convince people here of how "manly" you are, likely because people in RL know differently.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
No, you're more interested in arguing topics about gays.You constantly log on a SW vs forum to try to convince people here of how "manly" you are, likely because people in RL know differently.
Have fun with him you guys. Just remember his debating tactic. He'll keep posting until everybody else gives up. It doesn't even have to make sense.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66@Neph, given that Vitiate didn't have godlike powers (not without prep anyway), if he was so paranoid as you suggest then he certainly wouldn't gather large portions of powerful force users and give them opportunities to enhance their own power, and he certainly wouldn't go to a great extent to expand his empire with millions of force users with dark councils, dread masters, etc, to help him run it. Palpatine, on the other hand, usually had one very powerful apprentice at all times, and made it his priority to eliminate or replace his apprentice with their own apprentice if he thought it would come down to them trying to overthrow him. Lucas has made this very clear about Sidious. And while, Sidious did search for an apprentice who was potentially more powerful than him, he held back many secrets from them, and usually had a power over them that could be used against them. Plus, he had established an empire made up of people very loyal to him, so Vader just walking in and killing Sidious could have put him up against a galaxy spanning empire.
Sidious basically had a plan for every eventuality. Vader has even noted that overthrowing Sidious would be difficult for that very reason.It wasn't until after it was believed that Sidious had mastered nearly all force powers, that he started to establish a Dark Empire.
You've ignored my first response but I'll answer you again anyway.
At some point between 5000-4900 BBY, Vitiate has explored a new secret of the dark side which was a ritual that would expend his powers immensely. He performed it on Natemha by annihilating the planet along with 8000 sith lords. After, he found out that the same could be done to the entire galaxy and it would make him the greatest being that ever existed, even greater than the ones. However, he needed a galaxy wide war to increase the range of the ritual and make it galaxy wide. Everything he had done for the sith, he's done it for this reason. He needed a powerful sith empire full of force users to challenge the republic.
He was powerful enough to defeat anyone within the galaxy and he was wise enough to prevent mutinies against him. He was prepared for Revan, he was prepared for the treacherous dark council so he wasn't in danger of powerful groups facing him together. Besides he had an entire cult of servants serving him and protecting him. He had hands, children, a wrath and of course a voice to tank his real body.
It should be clear why he doesn't have the exact same methods.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
@Neph, given that Vitiate didn't have godlike powers (not without prep anyway), if he was so paranoid as you suggest then he certainly wouldn't gather large portions of powerful force users and give them opportunities to enhance their own power, and he certainly wouldn't go to a great extent to expand his empire with millions of force users with dark councils, dread masters, etc, to help him run it. Palpatine, on the other hand, usually had one very powerful apprentice at all times, and made it his priority to eliminate or replace his apprentice with their own apprentice if he thought it would come down to them trying to overthrow him. Lucas has made this very clear about Sidious. And while, Sidious did search for an apprentice who was potentially more powerful than him, he held back many secrets from them, and usually had a power over them that could be used against them. Plus, he had established an empire made up of people very loyal to him, so Vader just walking in and killing Sidious could have put him up against a galaxy spanning empire.
Sidious basically had a plan for every eventuality. Vader has even noted that overthrowing Sidious would be difficult for that very reason.It wasn't until after it was believed that Sidious had mastered nearly all force powers, that he started to establish a Dark Empire.
I don't really care how you rate Vitiate's power, but canonically he made the Dark Council into trembling sycophants with his mere presence and the Dread Masters never challenged him and in life saw him as the only one worth their loyalty. And your point ignores the fact that Vitiate had to have an army of Sith to contend with the Republic's Jedi, whereas Sidious took the Jedi out from within before he even assumed power. Factually, Vitiate was as paranoid as I said and him having an Empire of Sith doesn't change any of that. We already saw him take out 2 Dark Councils, a dozen of the strongest Sith in his Empire. He had no need to worry enough to eliminate every Sith when his dominance was barely contested and when it was, was utterly crushed. Yet he did still isolate himself because of his paranoia. And as I pointed out, Sidious wanted apprentices who could surpass him. He even gloats to Yoda about Anakin doing just that.
Originally posted by Nephthys
You kind of did insult him by comparing him to people who were pathetic in your opinion and stating that the only reason you talk to him is seeing him as merely young and ignorant. At the least you were very condescending and rude to him.
I compared a quality he had to the people who are pathetic. If the truth hurts, then that's the opportunity to change it, otherwise it shouldn't be an insult.
No, I didn't suggest he was young and ignorant. I said the only reason I can tolerate him more is because of his age. Some of the best debaters on this forum are quite a bit younger than majority us, such as NewGuy and Intrepid (when he was here). In fact I find NewGuy just as good as me, and in some areas, he's better than me despite being quite a bit younger than I am. I love to see smart young posters post, because it tells me how fast they progress.
I called Ant out on flaws, I didn't insult him in my original post.
We aren't new to debating like you imply, just these boards. 😬
In fact I find NewGuy just as good as me