Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Ant, your problem is, you rely too much on hype and accolades whereas Silver's main focus is feats, which mean more in an actual hypothetical vs match, unless the hype or accolades have any connection to the character you're arguing against.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
However, for the most part I do place more emphasis on actual feats than hype (though to somewhat of a lesser extent than Silver). For example, I'm more impressed with Vader tossing starships left and right or crushing tie fighters mid flight with a mere gesture than I am "Revan seemed like the heart of the force" or "Revan's one of the most powerful force users of his time and defeated powerful people." None of Revan's hype reaches to Vader's end, and therefore have nothing to do with Vader.
In any case, Vader being from another era does not make Revan's accolades invalid. Some accolades relate to the entire history of Star Wars, and some accolades, even if they are time period based they do compare Revan to others with great feats. And as I have said before I have never seen Ant use accolades as his sole argument. He uses accolades such as these in conjunction and as supplements to Revan's feats, which is a perfectly reasonable style of debating.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
This is why you lose majority of your debates because you rely too much on hype to back up what Revan lacks in feats.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
You're entitled to your opinion that Revan is more powerful than Vader or Dooku, just as Tempest is, but don't pass your opinion off to others as fact and get mad when they don't accept it, because at the end of the day anyone who couldn't give a shit about Revan doesn't care about your opinion on Revan. Either back up your claims, or don't debate them.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Acting uncivil to others the way you do just makes you look like another LeGend or missmith (pathetic individuals). The only reason I can tolerate you more than I do LeGend is because of your age. You're about 10 years younger than I am; you're about 16 or younger. I can tell by your maturity level, and your insults (lol). Your personality is somewhat cute, but I won't hesitate to put you in your place when you start to become rude and aggressive. I will treat you as I do anyone else since you are old enough to know better.
A person agreeing or disagreeing with the majority of your viewpoints does not determine how good of a debater they are.
And don't accuse Ant of being another LeGenD, as I have never seen Ant flat out contradict canon statements in the way that LeGenD and even "your son" tend to do.
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Originally posted by carthage
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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Dude, half of this forum has you on ignore.
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Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
I've seen him crush you here.
Yea.. NO... Just no.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
His entire arguments are just to troll and piss off. He has admitted this.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
The same could be said about Sidious. Also, getting a pleasure out of beating the shit out of individuals who pose no threat to him in combat, is just him being sadistic, not really arrogant. We see him attempt to run for dear life when Yoda uses a powerful FP on him.
Yeah, but even despite his godlike powers making no-one a threat to him Vitiate still spent all his time hiding from everyone in his citadel or operating through Voices. While Sidious baited people into attacking him, walked into dangerous situations and laughed his ass off while fighting Yoda. Not to mention actively trying to gain apprentices who would become more powerful than himself like Luke, Anakin and Marek.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
You publicly endorse and applaud a debater who does everything you accused Ant of doing (ie. ignoring stuff, acting as if their opinion is fact, being rude and aggressive, being uncivil), even going so far as to refer to him as "your son," and you support him for the sole reason that he has PT era peeps>Everyone else.A person agreeing or disagreeing with the majority of your viewpoints does not determine how good of a debater they are.
And don't accuse Ant of being another LeGenD, as I have never seen Ant flat out contradict canon statements in the way that LeGenD and even "your son" tend to do.
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At Ant, because trolling people who get so angry over a character they can't properly defend is funny. Even in this thread, you got angry, and tried to insult me because of my activity on this at my age. I didn't say anything insulting to you; you just got mad because I made it clear that Revan lacks the feats to be placed above Vader. I've said worse things to you personally and you didn't get this mad.
Now, tell me, why is Revan more powerful than Vader?
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66BTW, if Vitiate was so paranoid as Palpatine is, why does he allow so many powerful force users to serve him?
The circumstances are very different. Sidious became a sith during the rule of two. Had he not met Plagueis, he probably wouldn't become a sith though I know they didn't meet by chance as the dark side of the force led them to each other. Still though, are you suggesting that if Sidious was born in 5000 bby, he would exterminate every sith out there to secure himself?
Btw, do you really want to prove that Sidious' paranoia is greater than Vitiate's? I think Vitiate's extreme fear of losing his power caused him to make some mistakes that made him fall. Had he concentrated more on his own combat skills and gained more experience in wars, he would become an even greater sith.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
At Ant, because trolling people who get so angry over a character they can't properly defend is funny. Even in this thread, you got angry, and tried to insult me because of my activity on this at my age. I didn't say anything insulting to you; you just got mad because I made it clear that Revan lacks the feats to be placed above Vader. I've said worse things to you personally and you didn't get this mad.Now, tell me, why is Revan more powerful than Vader?
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
At Ant, because trolling people who get so angry over a character they can't properly defend is funny. Even in this thread, you got angry, and tried to insult me because of my activity on this at my age. I didn't say anything insulting to you; you just got mad because I made it clear that Revan lacks the feats to be placed above Vader. I've said worse things to you personally and you didn't get this mad.Now, tell me, why is Revan more powerful than Vader?
You kind of did insult him by comparing him to people who were pathetic in your opinion and stating that the only reason you talk to him is seeing him as merely young and ignorant. At the least you were very condescending and rude to him.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Uh oh, looks like public opinion is with me Neph.Your boy's a poser. 😬
Dude.... I know. I said earlier that Vitiate borrows many aspects of Sidious and is based off of him. I've always agreed with that. And as I've also said, I don't even like Vitiate that much. All my investment in him comes from debating in his favor in versus threads.
All I'm saying is that you're reaching too far by complaining that Vitiate is ripping off Sidious' paranoia, which isn't a major part of his character or even that apparent.