Originally posted by Epicurus
I am not white-knight championing Dolos here. I am pointing out the faulty wording of a statement like this:"If reality was Chaotic then there would be no rules of nature. "
Learn to differentiate.
I was not talking about Chaos Theory, I was talking about the word Chaotic.
cha·os the·o·ry
noun
noun: chaos theory
the branch of mathematics that deals with complex systems whose behavior is highly sensitive to slight changes in conditions, so that small alterations can give rise to strikingly great consequences.
cha·ot·ic
kāˈätik/
adjective
adjective: chaotic
in a state of complete confusion and disorder.
"a chaotic jumble of spools, tapes, and books"
synonyms: disorderly, disordered, in disorder, in chaos, in disarray, disorganized, topsy-turvy, in pandemonium, in turmoil, in an uproar;
in a muddle, in a mess, messy, in a shambles;
anarchic, lawless
See the difference?
Who know what Oneness was talking about.
Existence merely exists, innately there's no consciousness to imprint a grand design because its existence does not begin or end.
Choas.
If we're talking about an infinite hierarchy of super beings who can liberate subordinate beings in lesser realities of chaos, than you have a set of "on and off" cardinal values of order and chaos; perfect cause and effect that does not spell. Remove the "Vishnu" (or in this case, place him as an asymptotic value), and you remove the principle for universal cause and effect in everything we do - as it becomes synonymous with chaos theory, no omega-point means no "ultimate order" can arise from cause and effect. Therefore reality is ultimately chaotic aside from these sorts of super-beings exclusively pertaining to realities of their own creation; our choices dictate whether providence is granted by a super-being of this kind just as neurons dictate my ability to conceptualize a super-being.
If these beings are popping up as we have according to the changing cosmological constant's laws of thermodynamics (chaotic inflation); than who knows whether this cosmic fabrication has a grand design behind it.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I was not talking about Chaos Theory, I was talking about the word Chaotic.cha·os the·o·ry
noun
noun: chaos theorythe branch of mathematics that deals with complex systems whose behavior is highly sensitive to slight changes in conditions, so that small alterations can give rise to strikingly great consequences.
cha·ot·ic
kāˈätik/
adjective
adjective: chaoticin a state of complete confusion and disorder.
"a chaotic jumble of spools, tapes, and books"
synonyms: disorderly, disordered, in disorder, in chaos, in disarray, disorganized, topsy-turvy, in pandemonium, in turmoil, in an uproar;
in a muddle, in a mess, messy, in a shambles;
anarchic, lawlessSee the difference?
Who know what Oneness was talking about.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
NO! There is no original sin, because Adam was a fictional character in a fictional story. Humans who do not become Christian DO NOT GO TO HELL when they die. And Christians do not go to heaven when they die. This has nothing to do with natural disasters, unfortunate happenings or the feudal government.There is no need for us to be saved in a spiritual sense. This is simply a threat to make people become Christians; noting more.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I don't think he can assure you.
It's funny how you can criticize people for their logical fallacies while making logical fallacies yourself.
I understand where you're coming from. You feel that Christians don't have enough evidence to convince you that what they say is true (And I'd agree, I don't believe in God). But it is just as illogical to make empirical claims on God's nonexistence as it is to make empirical claims on his existence.
Never change KMC.
Originally posted by Oneness
Existence merely exists, innately there's no consciousness to imprint a grand design because its existence does not begin or end.
Originally posted by Oneness
Choas.If we're talking about an infinite hierarchy of super beings who can liberate subordinate beings in lesser realities of chaos, than you have a set of "on and off" cardinal values of order and chaos; perfect cause and effect that does not spell. Remove the "Vishnu" (or in this case, place him as an asymptotic value), and you remove the principle for universal cause and effect in everything we do - as it becomes synonymous with chaos theory, no omega-point means no "ultimate order" can arise from cause and effect. Therefore reality is ultimately chaotic aside from these sorts of super-beings exclusively pertaining to realities of their own creation; our choices dictate whether providence is granted by a super-being of this kind just as neurons dictate my ability to conceptualize a super-being.
Originally posted by Oneness
If these beings are popping up as we have according to the changing cosmological constant's laws of thermodynamics (chaotic inflation); than who knows whether this cosmic fabrication has a grand design behind it.
Originally posted by ShakyamunisonThe cosmological constant's THERMODYNAMICS have to adjust to inflation because there are sparticles involved. Thats a quantum mechanism.
Then why does the universe act a certain way and not another? We can repeat an experiment and get the same results every time. This fact disagrees with you.I am not at all talking about super beings, and Chaos theory is not chaotic.
How can a cosmological constant be changing? That would make it a cosmological variable.
Originally posted by ShakyamunisonWhy do you think this? Quantum mechanics is just into deeper detail about how things operate far below the macro level. They're interrelated. The constant effects QM and vice versa in painting a complete picture. Thermodynamics and chaotic inflation are also related. These are all elements of physics.
Thermodynamics and the cosmological constant are not part of quantum mechanics.
Originally posted by Oneness
Why do you think this? Quantum mechanics is just into deeper detail about how things operate far below the macro level. They're interrelated. The constant effects QM and vice versa in painting a complete picture. Thermodynamics and chaotic inflation are also related. These are all elements of physics.
Originally posted by Shakyamunisonlambda-cold dark matter model.
Quantum Mechanics and Newtonian physics are incompatible.
We're talking about super-string/super-gravity theory here.
Physics is physics, and these were all methods created for a singular purpose to paint a complete picture of the cosmos. The picture is incomplete, we have no theory of everything. But we do have evidence for chaotic inflation, and that's kinda what I'm talking about when I say super-being. God spawned from chaos.
And there is free-will, our choices aren't the effect of any "ultimate" design, but an infinite regression of micro-designs, generated from an infinite hierarchy of more and more sophisticated abstractions all birthed from the same chaos.
Originally posted by AstnerNever said it was, in fact I said that it emerged based on quantum mechanics, due to the dilemma of this incompatibility with Newtonian physics.
Lambda-CDM is the standard cosmological model and not based on string theory... but whatever.
Super-string Theory/super gravity is a probably the more accurate theory, in that it works better on both macroscopic and quantum levels.
These are all theories of physics, is my main point.
Anyway, the author of Power Vs Force doesn't believe in causality for the exact same reason I don't.
There is no purpose before consciousness. We as the self-aware make our own purpose, no excuses, and a Super-being would design us in its image in that we would eventually end up striving for the same purposes that it does.
Originally posted by Oneness
lambda-cold dark matter model.We're talking about super-string/super-gravity theory here.
Physics is physics, and these were all methods created for a singular purpose to paint a complete picture of the cosmos. The picture is incomplete, we have no theory of everything. But we do have evidence for chaotic inflation, and that's kinda what I'm talking about when I say super-being. God spawned from chaos.
And there is free-will, our choices aren't the effect of any "ultimate" design, but an infinite regression of micro-designs, generated from an infinite hierarchy of more and more sophisticated abstractions all birthed from the same chaos.
Super-string theory is most likely not correct. We will know in a year or so. When the Large Hadron Collider is up and running again in 2015, it will be able to test Super-string. It all depends on if they can find more dimensions.
I think you have it backwards. Free-will is the effect of a high power. If there is no higher power (no God) then we are just part of a very large clock like machine, and there is no free-will.
It's possible for there to be higher powers, but no highest power.
I think you have it the opposite. If you have the power to choose how to interact with the environment and others like you, than you have Free-Will!
I find it highly unlikely that we are not in control of our own destinies, just by watching bad mojo come upon insecure, unenlightened, people.
Watch Rush, notice who kept playing, who kept winning, and wonder how in the hell the more dangerous drag racer, the alcoholic, remained unscathed.........
Those events and those people were real. James Hunt and Niki Lauda.
Originally posted by Oneness
It's possible for there to be higher powers, but no highest power.
Originally posted by Oneness
I think you have it the opposite. If you have the power to choose how to interact with the environment and others like you, than you have Free-Will!
Originally posted by Oneness
I find it highly unlikely that we are not in control of our own destinies, just by watching bad mojo come upon insecure, unenlightened, people.
Originally posted by Oneness
Watch Rush, notice who kept playing, who kept winning, and wonder how in the hell the more dangerous drag racer, the alcoholic, remained unscathed.........
Those events and those people were real. James Hunt and Niki Lauda.
Double talk doesn't even mean anything, lol.
Originally posted by MindshipYouTube video
Why not?
Not saying it's impossible that humans are or aren't the only life in the universe, or that graham's number of eons down the line one life-form may be stacked enough to construct a little play-house as complicated as the current universe.
I'm just saying, asymptotic values like "Supreme Being" are not achievable no matter how far along the line you get.
Not that evolution doesn't stop at our level or anything. I believe it doesn't.