ROTJ Luke runs the Jedi Council Gauntlet

Started by Arhael3 pages

Originally posted by NewGuy01
He's levitated himself, another person, as well as an airspeeder simultaneously shortly after RotJ. He also halted a freighter mid-crash, though I've heard that there are more details to how he accomplished this. He also has a statement saying he's as powerful as Vader. Also, as a Telepath, he's probed the minds of enemy ship pilots and forced them to fire on their allies from a great distance, which in itself is a great TP showing. He's also expanded his senses to the size of an entire asteroid field, detecting everything within its borders.

Him supporting an At-St for a couple seconds is hardly the pinnacle of his force achievements.


Yes, Luke safely landed himself, his airspeeder and Isolder like feathers in Courtship of Princess Leia book, which is an unparalleled feat. In the same book he blocked lightning of a powerful witch and chopped her head off. However, in the same book he nearly died from Gedzerion's Force blast and his thought was something like this is how it would be, if Vader used full Force on him. And a year later he was pretty much helpless against C'baot in final confrontation.

It shows that he already more or less reached his Force potential, however, he still lacked experience of effectively utilizing this potential during combat.

If it was sabers only gauntlet, I would agree that he can reach 9 but in all out he might lose even at 1.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
He's levitated himself, another person, as well as an airspeeder simultaneously shortly after RotJ.

And that's better than holding up an At-St?

Originally posted by NewGuy01
He also halted a freighter mid-crash, though I've heard that there are more details to how he accomplished this.

So context required.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
He also has a statement saying he's as powerful as Vader.

Yeah how about you people start listening to the direct statements of George Lucas and his associate creators of Canon before taking random statements from people much much much lower on the canon hierarchy.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Also, as a Telepath, he's probed the minds of enemy ship pilots and forced them to fire on their allies from a great distance, which in itself is a great TP showing. He's also expanded his senses to the size of an entire asteroid field, detecting everything within its borders.

Not exactly a TK feat but nice.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Him supporting an At-St for a couple seconds is hardly the pinnacle of his force achievements.

TK wise? Yeah it is.

His main combat feat that everyone is praising him for is holding off a Holding back Vader in a regular state. And beating a holding back Vader in an enraged state.

A Non-Holding back Ashoka was taking on both Anakin and Kenobi together when they didn't want to hurt her. What does it prove? Well nothing really.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
What the heck is cutting down tie fighters got to do with anything.


Speed

And what speciality has Luke shown in Saber combat?


I'm guessing your opinion is above Vader's. Sure, Luke wasn't on Vader's level, but he's fought him more than twice, you know, and each time he has shown more skill than TPM Kenobi ever did.

Because it's a feat for Kenobi. Against a Sith Lord who wasn't his Daddy and not holding back at all.


He didn't even do well. 😬

Getting your ass kicked is not a feat.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Speed

Yeah? Does it beat this (goto 6:50):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OTHjSG61SI

I seriously doubt it.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I'm guessing your opinion is above Vader's.

No, I'm guessing George Lucas's opinion is above that of a fallible in universe character. Especially when said character is talking about his own son.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Sure, Luke wasn't on Vader's level, but he's fought him more than twice, you know, and each time he has shown more skill than TPM Kenobi ever did.

LOL So your claiming he showed more skill than Obi-Wan in Empire Strikes Back as well? Yeah sure he did.

And especially in ROTJ waving his Saber around like a baseball bat. That was pure skill too I'm guessing?

He may have had the raw power to even the odds, but in terms of pure skill he was nowhere near TPM Kenobi's level.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
He didn't even do well. 😬

Getting your ass kicked is not a feat.

He cut his Saber in 2.. Something his Master couldn't do. And he was fighting him alongside his master for a good while. All the fights in Star Wars have shown that even with a 2 on 1, or even 3 on 1, if you can't hold your own against the opponent, then you won't last even with help.

Originally posted by Arhael
Yes, Luke safely landed himself, his airspeeder and Isolder like feathers in Courtship of Princess Leia book, which is an unparalleled feat. In the same book he blocked lightning of a powerful witch and chopped her head off. However, in the same book he nearly died from Gedzerion's Force blast and his thought was something like this is how it would be, if Vader used full Force on him. And a year later he was pretty much helpless against C'baot in final confrontation.

It shows that he already more or less reached his Force potential, however, he still lacked experience of effectively utilizing this potential during combat.

If it was sabers only gauntlet, I would agree that he can reach 9 but in all out he might lose even at 1.

in the C'boath fight wasnt the presence of lukes clone messing with his powers or something?

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yeah? Does it beat this (goto 6:50):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OTHjSG61SI

I seriously doubt it.


It does. It takes a lot more skill and speed to cut down TIE Fighters mid-flight.

No, I'm guessing George Lucas's opinion is above that of a fallible in universe character. Especially when said character is talking about his own son.


The fact that Luke is his son doesn't change the fact that Vader has no reason to lie. He doesn't on any other occasion, why lie on this. And to my knowledge, Lucas never said Luke was unskilled or lower than TPM Kenobi.


LOL So your claiming he showed more skill than Obi-Wan in Empire Strikes Back as well? Yeah sure he did.

What skill did TPM Kenobi show besides how to get kicked over and over again by Maul?

And especially in ROTJ waving his Saber around like a baseball bat. That was pure skill too I'm guessing?

Luke's saber skills in RotJ are easily as skilled as TPM Kenobi, especially since he was actually able to catch Vader off guard on multiple occasions, even without rage.

He may have had the raw power to even the odds, but in terms of pure skill he was nowhere near TPM Kenobi's level.


What skill? You keep praising it, but I've seen nothing to show it. He was an annoyance throughout the entire duel with Maul, and he was ignored the majority of it.


He cut his Saber in 2.. Something his Master couldn't do. And he was fighting him alongside his master for a good while. All the fights in Star Wars have shown that even with a 2 on 1, or even 3 on 1, if you can't hold your own against the opponent, then you won't last even with help. ]

Wut?

Obi-Wan went nerd rage and cut the saber in two, but as soon as Maul recomposed himself he was easily able to keep up with him. And Maul practically, as I've said many times, ignored Kenobi the entire duel. He was formulating ways to get rid of Qui-Gon, Kenobi wasn't even a factor in Maul's plans simply because of the huge gap in skill between them. Or are you trying to say that TPM Kenobi is even close to Maul in sabers? Because if AotC Kenobi can't even keep up with Dooku for a few seconds, it's very doubtful that a younger and less skilled version of him somehow could keep up with an opponent of similar, if a little lesser, skill.

Luke was the one holding back in RotJ, unless you had forgotten. Vader was conflicted, but he was legitimately trying to win.