Uliq vs. Dooku

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Uliq vs. Dooku

Geonosian arena, all out.

Ulic gets torn apart

Ulic wins. No stomp.

Originally posted by carthage
Ulic gets torn apart

Reasons?

Beefy
Ulic wins. No stomp.
Me
Reasons?

Sabers: Ulic is a few tiers beneath Tyranus as a duelist

Ulic has defeated Warb Null, Satal Keeto, Cay Qel Droma, stalemated a pre-Prime Exar Kun, Mandalore, and fought Vima Sunrider and Sylvar deprived of the force in a duel. Impressive, but Tyranus comparatively defeated General Grievous, Sora Bulq, Quinlan Vos, Tholme, Anakin Skywalker, Obi Wan Kenobi, Asajj Ventress, and held his own against Yoda.

Tyranus's dueling feats outweigh Ulic's by a significant margin, and Tyranus also outskills Ulic as a duelist. He is canonically the greatest Makashi practitioner, has been referred to as one of the best duelist the Jedi ever produced, and at least has a basic knowledge of all of the lightsaber forms. Ulic is outmatched here.

Force: Ulic has a paltry amount of force showings he's telekninetically lifted a beam that fell on Cay, deflected blaster bolts back from Mandalore with a force shield, and blasted back multiple Jedi with a force scream, as well as used force choke. He mainly used the force for augmentation, which enabled him to evade blaster bolts and generate multiple after images.

Count Dooku is a far more potent force practitioner. In terms of force enhanced speed, he's fought faster than Obi Wan could perceive, he's moved his lightsaber fast enough to appear to be everywhere at once, he's dodged multiple attacks from Savage Opress, OCW Grievous, and Anakin and Obi wan effortlessly, formed ribbons with his blade, fought imperceptibly fast, and matched Yoda in speed.

In TK, he's ragdolled Kenobi, lifted 12 obelisks that weighed tons effortlessly, brought down a pillar, brought down a massive crane, brought down hordes of boulders on Tholme, collapsed a cave onto Obi Wan and Anakin, collapsed a bridge and balcony, choked out Quinlan Vos, killed Komari Vosa with force choke, dominated Ventress with TK, hurled OCW Grievous into barrels.

His lightning has killed Kiffar warriors, he's Koed Sora bulq with it, and killed night brothers. Though it should never come into play as Ulic can absorb it.

In terms of force abilities Ulic is massively outweighed by Dooku's telekinetic showings, and in dueling abilities Dooku's feats put him multiple tiers above Ulic. Ulic is roughly on the same tier as Ventress, Bulq, Obi Wan, and Kenobi all who have been ragdolled by Dooku, and as Ulic has been hurled back by Ommin's sorcery, has few force defeats, I see no reason why Tyranus can't simply dominate him with TK. Ulic has no feats to suggest he can outduel Tyranus, and generally has very little in the way of force showings to suggest he can hold his own in that regard

Tyranus stomps 10/10

Originally posted by carthage
Sabers: Ulic is a few tiers beneath Tyranus as a duelist

Ulic has defeated Warb Null, Satal Keeto, Cay Qel Droma, stalemated a pre-Prime Exar Kun, Mandalore, and fought Vima Sunrider and Sylvar deprived of the force in a duel. Impressive, but Tyranus comparatively defeated General Grievous, Sora Bulq, Quinlan Vos, Tholme, Anakin Skywalker, Obi Wan Kenobi, Asajj Ventress, and held his own against Yoda.

Tyranus's dueling feats outweigh Ulic's by a significant margin, and Tyranus also outskills Ulic as a duelist. He is canonically the greatest Makashi practitioner, has been referred to as one of the best duelist the Jedi ever produced, and at least has a basic knowledge of all of the lightsaber forms. Ulic is outmatched here.

Force: Ulic has a paltry amount of force showings he's telekninetically lifted a beam that fell on Cay, deflected blaster bolts back from Mandalore with a force shield, and blasted back multiple Jedi with a force scream, as well as used force choke. He mainly used the force for augmentation, which enabled him to evade blaster bolts and generate multiple after images.

Count Dooku is a far more potent force practitioner. In terms of force enhanced speed, he's fought faster than Obi Wan could perceive, he's moved his lightsaber fast enough to appear to be everywhere at once, he's dodged multiple attacks from Savage Opress, OCW Grievous, and Anakin and Obi wan effortlessly, formed ribbons with his blade, fought imperceptibly fast, and matched Yoda in speed.

In TK, he's ragdolled Kenobi, lifted 12 obelisks that weighed tons effortlessly, brought down a pillar, brought down a massive crane, brought down hordes of boulders on Tholme, collapsed a cave onto Obi Wan and Anakin, collapsed a bridge and balcony, choked out Quinlan Vos, killed Komari Vosa with force choke, dominated Ventress with TK, hurled OCW Grievous into barrels.

His lightning has killed Kiffar warriors, he's Koed Sora bulq with it, and killed night brothers. Though it should never come into play as Ulic can absorb it.

In terms of force abilities Ulic is massively outweighed by Dooku's telekinetic showings, and in dueling abilities Dooku's feats put him multiple tiers above Ulic. Ulic is roughly on the same tier as Ventress, Bulq, Obi Wan, and Kenobi all who have been ragdolled by Dooku, and as Ulic has been hurled back by Ommin's sorcery, has few force defeats, I see no reason why Tyranus can't simply dominate him with TK. Ulic has no feats to suggest he can outduel Tyranus, and generally has very little in the way of force showings to suggest he can hold his own in that regard

Tyranus stomps 10/10

I agree with this. I think if they fought 100 times, Dooku would win every single time.

Not even close. 😐 Carthage's argument has so much bias I have truly shocked. Dooku wins, but not every time for obvious reasons.

Spoiler:
Hint: Never agree with carthage. Whatever he says, it's probably the exact opposite.

What feats does Ulic have to suggest he can contend with Dooku? I have no bias, Ulic is one of my favorite characters. Dooku is simply better in every conceivable fashion based on feats.

Originally posted by carthage
I have no bias

😆

Originally posted by Nephthys
I wank Bane and Vitiate harder than anyone alive

Legend and Nebaris wank Bane and Vitiate far more than myself.

Again based on what feats how is Ulic superior to Dooku?

Originally posted by Nephthys
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Again listing feats is not having a bias, in terms of showings Ulic has next to nothing to suggest he'd beat Dooku or even pose a better chance than Ventress or Bulq did.

Originally posted by Trocity
I agree with this. I think if they fought 100 times, Dooku would win every single time.

Lulz, Dooku couldn't fight Qui-Gon and win a 100 times. 😆

Originally posted by Nephthys
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Dooku in a tough battle. lol at any notions of a stomp and lol at any notions of 100/100.

There is no reason to believe Ulic can even take one or two rounds. He doesn't have the offensive power of Malgus, and doesn't have the destructive power of Kun or Krayt. He is a skilled duelist but lacks the force feats to suggest he can do anything more than get taken out like Ventress, Bulq, or Kenobi.

Again prove otherwise.

I agree that there won't be stompage, but Carthage is the only one to provide a cogent argument.

Ulic will fare no better than Bulq, Ventress, or Kenobi