Uliq vs. Dooku

Started by Nephthys3 pages

Originally posted by carthage
There is no reason to believe Ulic can even take one or two rounds. He doesn't have the offensive power of Malgus, and doesn't have the destructive power of Kun or Krayt. He is a skilled duelist but lacks the force feats to suggest he can do anything more than get taken out like Ventress, Bulq, or Kenobi.

Again prove otherwise.

Ulic may not have much offense (though that amulet might do something), but he has powerful defenses which Dooku won't be getting through, like he can against the guys you mentioned. And his swordsmanship in Shien is exemplary. He'd be a tough fight against Dooku like Anakin is. A skilled, powerful duelist who has defenses just a bit too powerful for him to reliably penetrate.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Ulic may not have much offense (though that amulet might do something), but he has powerful defenses which Dooku won't be getting through, like he can against the guys you mentioned. And his swordsmanship in Shien is exemplary. He'd be a tough fight against Dooku like Anakin is. A skilled, powerful duelist who has defenses just a bit too powerful for him to reliably penetrate.

He was blasted back by Ommin's sorcery, which pales in comparison to the destructive power of Dooku's telekinetic feats. Also he has no strength feats to suggest he can break Tyranus's defense, who has held off Kenobi and Anakin at once. Shien has an advantage over Shien, but Ulic has no dueling feats to suggest he can hold his own and or not get stabbed out by the Count's superior agility like when he stabbed out Kenobi in AOTC.

Ulic close to his peak couldn't break a pre-Prime Exar Kun's defense, he has nothing to suggest he can break the Counts

No way does Ommin's sorcery pale in comparison to Dooku. Ommin was blasting back Nomi, Ulic, Cay, Oss, Dace, Tott and Shoaneb at the same time. That's ****ing bonkers, Ommin was crazy powerful. However, Ulic was the only one able to break through his assault and beat him. And that was well before his prime. Plus Ulic has the feat of blocking Basilisk War Droid cannons.

That Ulic wasn't able to defeat Kun only shows Kun's talent with a blade. Ulic was able to go toe to toe with an enraged Jedi as an out of practice old man with no force connection. His lightsaber skill is immense, better than AotC Kenobi at any rate. And I didn't say Ulic is better than Dooku, only that it'd be no stomp.

Ommin's sorcery pales in comparison to DOoku? That's hysterical.

Originally posted by psmith81992
Ommin's sorcery pales in comparison to DOoku? That's hysterical.

I said in destructive output.

Hurling boulders that weigh tons, shattering, balconies, and choking out/breaking the force connections of multiple Powerful force wielders >> sending 4 featless swordsmen flying.

No way does Ommin's sorcery pale in comparison to Dooku. Ommin was blasting back Nomi, Ulic, Cay, Oss, Dace, Tott and Shoaneb at the same time. That's ****ing bonkers, Ommin was crazy powerful. However, Ulic was the only one able to break through his assault and beat him. And that was well before his prime. Plus Ulic has the feat of blocking Basilisk War Droid cannons.

I said Ommin's sorcery pales in destructive power, and again and all he did was blast them back. Dooku has the capability to dominate powerful beings with just the wave of his hand. Dooku has casually dominated Kenobi, while still simultaneously engaging Anakin in combat. If he's focusing solely on Ulic, he's going to take him out much like he did Bulq or Ventress. As for Ulic's droid feat, that would work well against something like lightning.

That Ulic wasn't able to defeat Kun only shows Kun's talent with a blade. Ulic was able to go toe to toe with an enraged Jedi as an out of practice old man with no force connection. His lightsaber skill is immense, better than AotC Kenobi at any rate. And I didn't say Ulic is better than Dooku, only that it'd be no stomp.

Vima and Sylvar have nothing on Bulq, Ventress, or any of the individuals in terms of feats. While it speaks truth about Ulic's dueling abilities, that doesn't translate to his ability to hold his own against the Count. The Count is more agile than Vima or Sylvar, many tiers faster, and Ulic has no response for his TK other than getting blown back like he did with Ommin.

Originally posted by psmith81992
Ommin's sorcery pales in comparison to DOoku? That's hysterical.

You tell 'em, Beef. Put those lame-ass PT characters in their place. Ommin > Sidious, amirite bro??

Dominating 7 Jedi > Dominating Maul and Savage. Deal w it.

Originally posted by carthage
I said Ommin's sorcery pales in destructive power, and again and all he did was blast them back. Dooku has the capability to dominate powerful beings with just the wave of his hand. Dooku has casually dominated Kenobi, while still simultaneously engaging Anakin in combat. If he's focusing solely on Ulic, he's going to take him out much like he did Bulq or Ventress. As for Ulic's droid feat, that would work well against something like lightning.

That doesn't matter. Ommin is still dominating them whether he blew them back or blew their faces off. Dominating 7 Jedi at once is a better feat than dominating Kenobi or Bulq.

Agreed about the lightning though. Though I see no reason why he can't block TK with it as well.

Originally posted by carthage
Vima and Sylvar have nothing on Bulq, Ventress, or any of the individuals in terms of feats. While it speaks truth about Ulic's dueling abilities, that doesn't translate to his ability to hold his own against the Count. The Count is more agile than Vima or Sylvar, many tiers faster, and Ulic has no response for his TK other than getting blown back like he did with Ommin.

You're ignoring the fact that Ulic fought Sylvar without access to the Force. Meaning that in raw lightsaber skill and physical ability he could content with her despite lacking enhanced reflexes, speed, strength, precognition etc, while old and out of practice. Logically speaking his prowess would be impressive indeed with his immense force power to draw upon and in his prime.

Hello sock.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Hello sock.

Not talking to you Neph BTW, because that might be what it looks like once that sock is deleted completely.

Originally posted by Based
lol at any notions of a stomp and lol at any notions of 100/100.

Lol at any of you even thinking you know what would happen in a battle between two fictional characters. Lol @ you.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Dominating 7 Jedi > Dominating Maul and Savage. Deal w it.

haermm

Man, Neph you really let yourself go

He's just trolling.

SFTU, my hat is ****in' incredible.

Yeh....
I can't believe I'm saying this, but Carthage is right. Dooku every time.

Ulic > Nomi.

No disagreement there either.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
I agree that there won't be stompage, but Carthage is the only one to provide a cogent argument.

It was only a young, inexperienced Ulic that was initially pushed back by Ommin's sorcery (which was so powerful that it put a legendary Jedi Master like Arca Jeth into a coma or something, as well as dominate the Force prodigy Nomi Sunrider and as Nephthys said, something like 7 Jedi at once), and the fact that he alone was able to ultimately resist it is a pretty great feat. Not to mention, sorcery can be harder to defend against than regular Force attacks, and didn't Dooku himself get easily dominated by Talzin's sorcery?

Ulic would later go on to become far more experienced and gain a Sith amulet, at which point he was capable of stalemating Exar Kun in a battle that would have lasted for hours, and was seen to be shimmering in the darkside in a comparable manner to Exar from the perspective of Aleema, both of which imply that Exar wasn't drastically more powerful than Ulic, and that he couldn't simply dominate him with the Force. And when it comes to feats, Exar vastly outstrips Dooku.

I see no reason to believe that Dooku is even close to as gifted a swordsman as Ulic is. People seem to find it impossibly difficult to admit that Ulic has, by far, the greatest demonstration of pure technical skill with a lightsaber there is, in fighting off a notable Jedi while having been cut off from the Force. Stalemating Exar Kun, himself a lightsaber prodigy and frighteningly powerful Force User, is similarly one of the best demonstrations of overall lightsaber ability we've ever seen. Dooku hasn't ever shown comparable ability with a lightsaber.

Dooku has also never used the Force to dominate someone like Nomi Sunrider, and Ulic dominated both her and his brother Cay simultaneously.