Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The world would be better off with Saddam Hussein still in power. He was the guy who paid the families of suicide bombers, and killed his own people with WMD that he reportedly didn't have.
Do you think Iraq and her people are better off right now than in 2003/pre US invasion?
The official stance of the US government is that Saddam did not have the WMDs that the Bush cabinet claimed and that was the sole reason for the invasion. If you don't recall, it went something like this:
Bush: "Saddam, you need to turn over your WMDs."
Hussein: "But I don't have any, UN inspectors verified this."
Bush: "I'm warning you, turn over your WMDs or else."
Hussein: "What the hell, bro. I don't have any. France, Germany, Russia and others are even saying you're wrong here."
Bush: "I warned you, now you and your sons have 48hrs to leave Iraq."
Hussein: "Dude, we don't have any WMDs and I'm not leaving my own home."
Bush: "You were warned, buddy! You tried to kill my dad!"
*Iraq invasion commences*
*Zero WMDs found*
I won't say they're better off, but Saddam was a horrific dictator and needed to be ousted. But it was a rodent-like tactic to lie to the public to incite the war, and further use 9/11, which had nothing whatsoever to do with Iraq or Saddam, to fuel anti-Arabic sentiment so people would enlist.
I find it ironic that in using the excuse of "The War on Terror" to incite America to oust the Saddam regime, they may have benefited the terrorists even more than before, as in ousting Saddam, they allowed al-Zarqawi's Iraqi Al-Qaeda branch to form due to the governmental collapse, which in turned morphed into the ISIS terrorist regime we see today, and now, with American patriotism exhausted and cynical due to being wasted on the the Iraq war, sending in troops to help isn't even an option.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
See how hate twists everything. It's no use talking to you about it. You have been brainwashed. Enjoy the hate.
Oh the irony.
Originally posted by Robtard
Do you think Iraq and her people are better off right now than in 2003/pre US invasion?The official stance of the US government is that Saddam did not have the WMDs that the Bush cabinet claimed and that was the sole reason for the invasion. If you don't recall, it went something like this:
Bush: "Saddam, you need to turn over your WMDs."
Hussein: "But I don't have any, UN inspectors verified this."
Bush: "I'm warning you, turn over your WMDs or else."
Hussein: "What the hell, bro. I don't have any. France, Germany, Russia and others are even saying you're wrong here."
Bush: "I warned you, now you and your sons have 48hrs to leave Iraq."
Hussein: "Dude, we don't have any WMDs and I'm not leaving my own home."
Bush: "You were warned, buddy! You tried to kill my dad!"*Iraq invasion commences*
The conservative Republicans will keep denying Bush's responsibility for the invasion of Iraq, and shift the blame to the current Democratic president.
As is expected from the Republicans.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The world would be better off with Saddam Hussein still in power. He was the guy who paid the families of suicide bombers, and killed his own people with WMD that he reportedly didn't have.
WTF?
I don't know from which planet you came from, but this has to be one of the most minformed posts I have ever read in this forum.
This can't be further from the truth.
Fox News is a blatant GOP propaganda machine. Just tuned in a second ago and tonight they're going to have a 1 hour story on Benghazi (aka slandering Obama's foreign affairs cabinet and administration).
The other day they were discussing Obama's "no strategy" comment (which they of course took out of context with the TTLY objective headline "Obama administration admits it lacks strategy"😉 and whereas CNN and MSNBC were conversing with foreign affairs officials and military and governmental personnel, and geopolitical strategists and analysts, Fox was conversing with reliable analyst Stacey Dash of Clueless fame 😆
The Onion is more a more reliable and objective news source than Fox (and Glen Beck/ Rush Limbaugh) at this point.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Well you are pretty smart, why don't you run for office or something and fix something. There are smart people here, someone should step up.
Obama's doing the best job he can do at this point. There are a lot of outside factors and circumstances plaguing Obama that would be disadvantageous to anybody put in the same position. He is trying to help but not trying to overstep his bounds and become Iraq's personal bodyguard. You criticize him for his patience, Time Immemorial, yet you pose no effective solutions to his complex problems. He is not a genie and being POTUS does not make you an autocrat. He is only human and must be pragmatic with the circumstances that are occurring in Iraq and Ukraine, neither one of which are due to his actions.
Originally posted by ShakyamunisonI got what you meant.
See how hate twists everything. It's no use talking to you about it. You have been brainwashed. Enjoy the hate.
You asserted that the hateful people in which TM would have been addressing, will never agree with him regardless of how valid his point is because hate distorts logic.
Furthermore, and this was her main point I believe, was that you shouldn't attempt to win opponents over with your argument - because no one in power should be considered opposed to each-other, because we should all be about protecting our country.
Now; TM, forgive Shakyam's naivity and trust in the goverment - she's completely unaware of politicians in the Legislative Branch. Too many have the their fingers deep in the federal reserve bank which can opt to encrypt and transfer any funds, free from unwanted eyes, through the Department of Treasury.
Originally posted by RobtardCompelling arguments.
And you know this happens exactly like this how?
Compelling as I find that exactly the kind of thing that'd be going on given the weakness of a capitalist's ideal upper-class-based system + legislative decision>liberty of the people + the executive & judicial systems.