Originally posted by KingD19
So did Leonidas until he fought the Uber Immortal. Themistocles would have had the same troubles if not more since he didn't have anyone to back him up like Delios did for Leonidas.
True, but he still seemed more skilled to me than Leonidas did. As a unit, the Spartans were more impressive, but individually, Themistocles would take Leonidas IMO.
Leonidas faced a myriad of armies armed with "exotic" weapons, in succession, always with the odds stacked against him, and still manages to come out on top in brutal fashion.
Him and the spartans were so dominant in the battlefield Xerxes himself was impressed. Shieeet, teenage Leonidas in the wilderness can probably give Themistocles a fight. Leonidas 8/10.
Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
Leonidas faced a myriad of armies armed with "exotic" weapons, in succession, always with the odds stacked against him, and still manages to come out on top in brutal fashion.
Leonidas and his warriors did so. What's your point? Themistocles and his men also fought against odds that didn't favour them and won. Their army tactics and leadership skills are irrelevant in this fight in anyways. This is one-on-one.
Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
Him and the spartans were so dominant in the battlefield Xerxes himself was impressed. Shieeet, teenage Leonidas in the wilderness can probably give Themistocles a fight. Leonidas 8/10.
Again, how his warriors perform as a group is not an individual fighting feat for him. Themistocles beat Artemisia, one of the greatest sword fighters in Xerxes' army (if not the greatest). That's a valid, one-on-one combat feat, and one that is way more impressive than anything Leonidas did on his own.
Also, based on what exactly can teenage Leonidas do anything but die against Themistocles?
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Leonidas [B]and his warriors did so. What's your point? Themistocles and his men also fought against odds that didn't favour them and won. Their army tactics and leadership skills are irrelevant in this fight in anyways. This is one-on-one.Again, how his warriors perform as a group is not an individual fighting feat for him. Themistocles beat Artemisia, one of the greatest sword fighters in Xerxes' army (if not the greatest). That's a valid, one-on-one combat feat, and one that is way more impressive than anything Leonidas did on his own.
Also, based on what exactly can teenage Leonidas do anything but die against Themistocles? [/B]
The spartans fighting wave after wave of armies stronger than Themistocles faced is > anything Themy has done. Endurance, stamina, durability, strength and skill favor Leonidas. What's the point of bringing up Artemisia? Leonidas guts her as well.
A one on one fight favors Leonidas as well, he's armed with a shield and spear which is all he needs. Is Themistocles gonna lure Leonidas in a crevice?
I will agree that Artemisia > Gorgo.
I can't take this thread seriously because Themistocles in real life was no warrior... He was a born leader and great at strategy, but in combat, he wasn't anything special and was always behind the scenes giving orders. Just because the movie made him into somebody he wasn't, doesn't mean he can beat somebody who in real life was a badass.
Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
The spartans fighting wave after wave of armies stronger than Themistocles faced is > anything Themy has done. Endurance, stamina, durability, strength and skill favor Leonidas. What's the point of bringing up Artemisia? Leonidas guts her as well.
Based on what does he have better physical stats than Themistocles? He doesn't display greater speed, endurance, stamina, durability, skill or strength than Themistocles at any point during the film. Also, based on what does he gut Artemisia? His only showing against non-cannon fodder is against the Uber Immortal, and that was hardly a very impressive showing at all.
Fact is, Leonidas lacks one-on-one feats to show what he is capable of, and we cannot simply make assumptions without evidence. Otherwise, I can just as easily say that, based off of their shown combat speed and skill, Themistocles or Artemisia would have stomped the Uber Immortal that Leonidas had trouble with.
Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
A one on one fight favors Leonidas as well, he's armed with a shield and spear which is all he needs. Is Themistocles gonna lure Leonidas in a crevice?
Based on what does this fight favour Leonidas, used to fighting with men on either side of him, over Themistocles, who is used to fighting on his own? If anything, a one-on-one match favours Themistocles. Also, they both have the same gear, so not seeing your point there. And no, Themistocles simply beats him through superior skill, based on their actual onscreen showings.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I can't take this thread seriously because Themistocles in real life was no warrior... He was a born leader and great at strategy, but in combat, he wasn't anything special and was always behind the scenes giving orders. Just because the movie made him into somebody he wasn't, doesn't mean he can beat somebody who in real life was a badass.
This isn't a debate about their RL versions, so I really don't see why you are complaining. This is the 300 versions of both, and both of those were warriors. So we compare their onscreen versions, not RL ones.
Originally posted by Robtard
Leonidas had a better 6-pack; he wins.