Originally posted by DARTH POWER
^ That's pretty impressive. Is that how it ended?Also did Amazo have Superman's powers in that fight? And hasn't Superman also defeated him in the past?
He has Superman's shield on his chest, plus he was whipping an 800lb rod around at sueprsonic speeds, so had SOME degree of superstrength. Pass on whether it was Superman, WW or whatever, though. Can't say for sure.
Originally posted by carver9
He was still amped by the IG when he dodged Surfer. Doesn't matter if his perception was off. There are other fts Thanos have that proves he can react to speedsters.
Obviously it does matter. All his stats were amped except his senses and perception, which means his reflexes weren't amped when he dodged Surfer.
Originally posted by One-Punch
Obviously it does matter. All his stats were amped [b]except his senses and perception, which means his reflexes weren't amped when he dodged Surfer. [/B]
Doesn't it mean the opposite?
As in, I am able to sense and perceive light. Does not mean that I have lightspeed reflexes though lol.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Doesn't it mean the opposite?As in, I am able to sense and perceive light. Does not mean that I have lightspeed reflexes though lol.
You don't actually "perceive" individual photons or light.
In fact, your perception is really just your brain creating an artificial image in your mind of the environment based on the vary amounts of photons that bounce off objects and hit your retina and different angles.
Anyways, if I were to throw a baseball at you, do you not use your senses (e.g., eye sight) and perception to react to it? If not, I don't know what else you would use to react to it.
Originally posted by One-Punch
You don't actually "perceive" individual photons or light.In fact, your perception is really just your brain creating an artificial image in your mind of the environment based on the vary amounts of photons that bounce off objects and hit your retina and different angles.
Anyways, if I were to throw a baseball at you, do you not use your [b]senses
(e.g., eye sight) and perception to react to it? If not, I don't know what else you would use to react to it. [/B]
I use both, you're correct. Am not arguing that at all.
But I still need my reflexes, a third component, to react to the baseball.
Another analogy. You're speeding in a car. Suddenly, someone runs out in front of your car. You see the kid/dog/whatever, you realise that you should stop....but you lack the reflexes.
Originally posted by krisblaze
Darksaint's point still stands though.We perceive things because of light, but that doesn't suddenly enable us to 'dodge' light.
Not sure how this helps any argument for or against Thanos' reactions though 😛
Ha.
I think the reason for the debate is, if Thanos' reactions were amped by the IG, then unamped, he wouldn't have been able to react to Surfer (implied).
Therefore, he wouldn't be able to react to Wally.
Not discrediting his speed, but what about Gamora-level? Seems about right, but feel free to disagree.
'You're faster than ever....I couldn't lay a glove on you.....'
Originally posted by One-Punch
Obviously it does matter. All his stats were amped [b]except his senses and perception, which means his reflexes weren't amped when he dodged Surfer. [/B]
If you are physically amped by the IG then you are amped. He was using the power gem as well which amps your stats. He didn't do that under his own power. You might as well give him credit for everything he did when his perception was off if you're going to sit here and say he wasn't amped physically with the gem and the stuff he did during that run physically without the use of his perception puts him far above Odin.
Originally posted by carver9His reflexes and perceptions were his own. The words are very clear. Quit ignoring that words mean. This isn't the first time you have either ignored the vocabulary used or misrepresented what actually took place.
If you are physically amped by the IG then you are amped. He was using the power gem as well which amps your stats. He didn't do that under his own power. You might as well give him credit for everything he did when his perception was off if you're going to sit here and say he wasn't amped physically with the gem and the stuff he did during that run physically without the use of his perception puts him far above Odin.
I would retain limitless power but not know my enemies next move.
My diminished capacity now turns this into a true test of nerves and battle skills.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I use both, you're correct. Am not arguing that at all.But I still need my reflexes, a third component, to react to the baseball.
Another analogy. You're speeding in a car. Suddenly, someone runs out in front of your car. You see the kid/dog/whatever, you realise that you should stop....but you lack the reflexes.
Your reflexes are completely tied to your perception and senses. You absolutely cannot react to something you don't or can't perceive. When Thanos cut off his perception/senses from the IG he reduced his reflex and reaction to his baseline.
Your car analogy doesn't make sense in the context Thanos was in. Dodging something thrown at you is more akin to Thanos ducking Surfer.
Your analogy also makes it seem like reflexes require thought and contemplation. They don't. If you turn around and someone throws a ball at you, you don't stand there thinking to yourself "gee I should dodge that" and then duck, you just duck without thinking.
Originally posted by carver9
If you are physically amped by the IG then you are amped. He was using the power gem as well which amps your stats. He didn't do that under his own power. You might as well give him credit for everything he did when his perception was off if you're going to sit here and say he wasn't amped physically with the gem and the stuff he did during that run physically without the use of his perception puts him far above Odin.
Yeah he was amped, except for his perception and senses, which was stated on panel. Sure Thanos had the power gem, but it was stated Thanos cut off his perception and senses from the infinity guantlet. I don't know if you know this, but that means he cut off his perception and senses from all of the gems, including the power gem.
He was amped in a bunch of ways, but his perception and senses weren't, which was plainly stated for us on panel.
He had the gems so it really doesn't matter. He had limitless power per his own admission which means he was still feeding off of the gem powers. All of his physical attributes were enhanced. He just didn't allow the gem to AID in his perception of things but that doesn't mean that the senses he already had wasn't amped as well since he was getting power from the gems. What is so hard to comprehend?
Originally posted by carver9
He had the gems so it really doesn't matter. He had limitless power per his own admission which means he was still feeding off of the gem powers. All of his physical attributes were enhanced.
Doesn't matter if his other attributes were limitless or amped, it was stated on panel that his perception and senses were cut off from the IG. Doesn't matter if Thanos was strong enough to punch a galaxy into dust, or powerful enough to transmute suns into glass.
His perception and senses were cut off from the IG and were not amped, and that's the only attribute that really matters when it comes to reflexes.
He just didn't allow the gem to AID in his perception of things but that doesn't mean that the senses he already had wasn't amped as well since he was getting power from the gems. What is so hard to comprehend?
How in the hell are his perception and senses amped if he cuts them off from the infinity gauntlet? I know you're not the brightest guy, but think about that for a second.
Originally posted by Star428
LOL. Thanos kills him. He's smart enough to find some way to tag him wether with his fists or one of his energy based attacks and one hit is all he needs. I seriously doubt Flash can even hurt Thanos if his shields are up (which they should be automatically in a no CIS/PIS fight). Just a matter of time before Flash is dead meat.
I must've been delusional or something when I typed this. Thanos is outmatched here just like everybody else (except the faster Zoom, of course) is who goes up against Flash. Poor Thanos' power pales in comparison to the uber-speed god. Flash runs so fast that he renders all of Thanos' powers useless. Then Flash keeps running and somehow reverses time and kills Thanos while he is still in his Mother's womb.
Flash wins. Poor Thanos never had a chance against the second most invincible guy (Zoom is first) in all of comics.
It's too bad the Marvel heroes didn't have Flash when the fought Thanos during Infinity Gauntlet. They could've avoided having all those characters killed by Thanos if they had the uber speed god on their team.
Originally posted by Star428Finally, you see the light.
I must've been delusional or something when I typed this. Thanos is outmatched here just like everybody else (except the faster Zoom, of course) is who goes up against Flash. Poor Thanos' power pales in comparison to the uber-speed god. Flash runs so fast that he renders all of Thanos' powers useless. Then Flash keeps running and somehow reverses time and kills Thanos while he is still in his Mother's womb.Flash wins. Poor Thanos never had a chance against the second most invincible guy (Zoom is first) in all of comics.
It's too bad the Marvel heroes didn't have Flash when the fought Thanos during Infinity Gauntlet. They could've avoided having all those characters killed by Thanos if they had the uber speed god on their team.
