Originally posted by Iskandar
It doesn't need to manipulate anything outside of it. Also, we're not talking about Kon here but rather the fused Kon-El/Jon Kent.It can simply create the pocket universe whenever it wants. Just like with what happened in #32 and in #33 Kon-El clarifies that they made it.
No, not in their head.
The head part where Kon-El and Jon Kent try to take control of their new body is completely different than what happens outside of their actual body. What we see in the pocket universe doesn't happen inside their head. We even see it exist from the POV of some people who are not even inside of it in Superboy #33.
http://i.imgur.com/mC2K16V.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0MClI9O.jpgThese guys remember?
Rose, Michael, Peter, and Niti only changed back once the pocket universe was destroyed not when they left it.
The point this Kon-El/Jon Kent can creature this space whenever it wanted and did so when they universe "kicked them out" there's nothing stopping it from doing so again if it were to fight Superman.
Okay then, post me a scene where Superman is able to resist being transformed into an alternate version of himself from another time-line.
If you're right it should exist. If you're wrong it shouldn't.
What feats does this Hector Hammond even have to compare to this Kon-El/Jon Kent entity?
Based on feats, kryptonians like Supergirl can't do anything to actually hurt Kon-El when he was just starting to understand his powers let alone this Kon-El/Jon Kent entity who is far more powerful than even Kon-El at his strongest after absorbing Jon Kent's memories.
Why does it need to when it can just create the pocket universe whenever it wants, and trap Superman in there at its leisure?
No, first we see Kon-El blast it then Supergirl and Wonder Woman join in. Then finally Kon-El destroys it.
http://i.imgur.com/yh0GCRH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/cuH0FPo.jpgHere it is again.
No, H'el never planned for it to be possible to be brought down what he planned was for Superboy to try to do so and fuel his ship. The fact it was destroyed was something he didn't expect. That's why he was surprised.
Also, the fact that H'el required Superboy to fuel it because he himself couldn't doesn't light up any alarms in your head? H'el needed Superboy because he wasn't powerful to fuel the ship. Superboy was.
A non-feat? How is it a non-feat when H'el explicitly planned all of this just so he could get a hold of Superboy's powers to fuel his ship?
This also doesn't change the fact that Star Chamber was able to contain/channel all of the energy of the sun and the solar system's electromagnetic field.
This is also explicit. Superman #17.
http://i.imgur.com/Id8oRHT.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TfIpi2H.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/r8fwAc7.jpgThe factors necessary for H'el to fuel his ship.
1) the Sun's energy
2) the solar systems electromagnetic field
3) Kon-El's power
No, what you need to do to overload something that was made to contain the power of the sun and the power of the entire solar system's electromagnetic field is someone or something with even more power.
Superboy's psionics are above what energy it could contain from the earth's sun and the solar system's electromagnetic field.
Strength maybe but Superboy can easily mitigate that with his TK as he can use it to amplfy his strength.
Considering that Superboy's TK is powerful enough to destroy the Star Chamber, plow a giant hole all the way down the earth's molten core, easily incapacitate kryptonians like Supergirl even before numerous power-ups and upgrades, and even effect temporal anomalies I think it evens out.
H'el wasn't even as powerful as the Kon-El/Jon Kent entity. H'el was just time-traveling and existing in a time loop.
Also, as clarified the Kon-El/Jon Kent entity could simply just create the pocket universe whenever it wants like when it was kicked out of the universe.
I literally posted the entire issue for you and you are still saying it might be in Kon-El/Jon Kent's mind even though we clearly see that it's not?
What scan in specific is actually making you draw into this conclusion now?
You know what agenda I am noticing at this very moment? You can't handle the fact that anything might be more powerful than Superman so you are skewing context in order to get what you want. I have been polite, I have been reasonable, and I have posted scans.
Now you're resorting to ad hominems and claiming I have a conspiracy going on?
You know I would expect dishonest debate tactics out of abhilegend but I thought you were better than that. Guess I was wrong.
No, you do not get to pretend the your misinterpretation is correct when I have explicitly proven you wrong several times over and went so far as to post the entire issue to correct you. I have even proven you wrong by providing the correct interpretation of the scans you misinterpreted earlier.
You can believe what you want but your personal opinion at this very moment is completely and utterly wrong. You don't get to pretend that it's not. More importantly, you don't get to plug your ears and point fingers. When all you have to do is just correct your mistakes.
As said I disagree, all the feats you want to be seen as awesome happened in the pocket-dimension, for the last time, the rules there are not the same as the rules of the main universe for all we know. It might be even all in Kons head. We will see.
You are making this feat bigger than it is, Superboy is no abstract being nor a skyfather, don't try to push him there.
That is you wishful thinking nothing more tbh. You can try and make up scenarios but they will only work if we see it done to someone like Superman, MM etc. This is as said a nice feat, but the scale is small, as small as a pocket.
I don't need to prove a negative.
Superman says it, you planned all of this along. So yes, he played the game and wanted the events to happen the way it happend.
Sure if I H'el needed energy, why waste his own, and obviously he needed different forms of them. So he can safe his because he would need them. Makes sense doesn't it? At least we agree that WW and Supergirl had their hands in the destruction too, as seen in the scans. 👆
So you say it yourself, it can contain the energy which is completly different from being destroyed by less. Kon has not more power than the sun. Take a nuclear reactor, holds a sh1tload of energy, still you need less than this to break it.
Now you would just need to prove he can amp his strength to benchpress earthweight for 5 days or to stop a ship of brainiacs size. I will wait ^^.
He can and has been hurt by less btw, supergirl is not Superman.
What scans, you said it yourself, they fight for the control of the body.
I am still polite to you and i still disagree, my interpretation differes. And yes, I noticed this agenda as soon as you started posting in superboy related threads. You like him, that's ok.
there are beings more powerful than Superman, take Darkseid for example. Superboy is not among them though and it's very doubtful he will be.
You should learn one thing. You once said that my opinion is my opinion and I shouldn't pretend it is the truth, follow your own adivce, we disagree, that is nothing bad. Your interpretation is in my opinion wrong, yours differ, well that's ok but don't pretend you know it better, you don't and only future comics will show it.
You behave like Enzeru right now btw. I would change this.
So Superboy is a Mid Herald, now maybe even a High Herald, he needs more fights and more feats, he is no trans, skyfather or abstract, don't try to make him into one. Thanks.
