Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
He was made after Superman, this was the intention, even if he gets a new way of blasting, not from his eyes but his hand or his butt, it is still just a blast, he is still a copy, meant to be a copy. Don't act like he was not created to be something else than a Superman clone.It really doesn't matter because his feats are far inferior to Supermans even if 95% of their power sets match, and he was still able to palm Hulk and ko him.
He isn't Superman. That's like me saying Pre Reboot and new 52 Superman are the same people.
You honestly don't know how strong Sun God is tbh. The only way we knew was looking at his fight against the Hulk just like we knew how powerful Konvikt was when he one punched koed Superman. Then there's the showing with Sun God when he fought the mappers and destroyed them with ease. The guy was beastly, and again, him and Supes are not the same peeps and have a different powerset.
Grundy nearly took Superman out until Alan assisted. Can I use that for Hulk? What a bit Konvikt, Titus, The General?
Originally posted by Star428
Funny, I didn't see Superman state anywhere on that page that Mongul is actually stronger than him. Just because it appears Superman was about to say that not even he himself can take him alone doesn't mean Mongul is physically stronger than he is.
I read from it that he pulls his punches even against someone who's grip is as strong as Darkseids so he doesn't kill them...
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbeJust because someone is stronger than you does not mean that you cannot kill them.WW said the same thing when she was fighting superman yet fans tried to sweep that under the rug, now since superman states he barely holds back ( exact words stated by WW ) its valid for superman but not for WW. She could have killed superman if she did not hold back was met with resistance aplenty, this statement from superman will be of course Embraced with love. 😉
I read from it that he pulls his punches even against someone who's grip is as strong as Darkseids so he doesn't kill them...
Originally posted by Star428
Funny, I didn't see Superman state anywhere on that page that Mongul is actually stronger than him. Just because it appears Superman was about to say that not even he himself can take him alone doesn't mean Mongul is physically stronger than he is.
Superman stated Mongul is as strong as Darkseid, who is stronger than Superman. Then Superman admitted that no one can stop him, and Mongul filled in his name when he was about to include himself. Obvious my friend and again, Superman said, no one.
Originally posted by JBL
Just because someone is stronger than you does not mean that you cannot kill them.WW said the same thing when she was fighting superman yet fans tried to sweep that under the rug, now since superman states he barely holds back ( exact words stated by WW ) its valid for superman but not for WW. She could have killed superman if she did not hold back was met with resistance aplenty, this statement from superman will be of course Embraced with love. 😉
Superman was fighting Doomsday in his imagination and wanted to torture him. He wasn't all out like in OWAW. But this is neither here nor there. Sure, WW can kill Superman, there is nothing wrong with this, but it is more difficult if he fights to the best of his abilities like in OWAW. WW knows Superman is stronger. Yet I don't see this statement in those scans. So there is a difference.
Originally posted by carver9
Superman stated Mongul is as strong as Darkseid, who is stronger than Superman. Then Superman admitted that no one can stop him, and Mongul filled in his name when he was about to include himself. Obvious my friend and again, Superman said, no one.
He didn't feel a grip that strong since Darkseid, that doesn't mean that Mongul is as strong as Darkseid at all because we don't know how much effort both put into their grips. Anyway, Superman was a rookie back then, he became stronger over the time, the whole JLA did. Superman said no one should try to stop him alone, yet he had to pull his punch so he didn't kill Mongul, I hope you see the obvious contradiction.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
He didn't feel a grip that strong since Darkseid, that doesn't mean that Mongul is as strong as Darkseid at all because we don't know how much effort both put into their grips. Anyway, Superman was a rookie back then, he became stronger over the time, the whole JLA did. Superman said no one should try to stop him alone, yet he had to pull his punch so he didn't kill Mongul, I hope you see the obvious contradiction.
Rookie? Where are you getting that from? Also, in the same comic, Mongul took on both an amped Batman (who killed Superman with a punch) and Superman at the same time and was holding his own and at one point, had an advantage. You're wrong here. Completely wrong. Also, where are you getting this rookie stuff from. That comic happened not too long ago.
Also, why wouldn't it mean he is as strong as Darkseid?
Originally posted by carver9
Rookie? Where are you getting that from? Also, in the same comic, Mongul took on both an amped Batman (who killed Superman with a punch) and Superman at the same time and was holding his own and at one point, had an advantage. You're wrong here. Completely wrong. Also, where are you getting this rookie stuff from. That comic happened not too long ago.Also, why wouldn't it mean he is as strong as Darkseid?
They were all rookies, they formed the JLA because of Darkseid, some years already passed. Where i am getting this from? The Comic, JLA is one of those I buy. Yet Superman could have killed him here with a punch and just pulled the punch in order to safe Mongul, you see and read this right?
Because if we don't know how much effort both put into their grips and if it is their limit or if they are stronger than this, we can only judge this objectively by comparing their strength feats, which are almost nonexistent at this point.