They can do it, easily. Destroy the earth? Sure.
Palmer and Cyborg between them shrink the Earths core, and boom tubes it away. The booming requires no prep, all that's needed is for Ray to create the tech which he can.
With no core, the Earth's atmosphere disappears. The magnetic field of the earth disappears. Life dies, the oceans boil off.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I thought the JL team had one sided prep? Does Pym have some kind of shrinking detector that detects when anyone anywhere shrinks things????
I don't know. Was actually making a joke, but i'm sure he or Reed or somebody would notice something of that caliber if it was happening. The only issue is, how fast could Palmer shrink the earths core into oblivion? Also, with things happening on that grand of a scale, now you've probably gotten the attention of characters like Mephisto and so forth who have stakes with the earths existence. More I think about it, the harder I think this is for the JL. I don't think they can do it.
It's pretty instantaneous - I mean, there's no time delay when he becomes the Atom, and grows back to normal size. He doesn't undergo a magical anime style costume transformation that takes 5 minutes as he shouts out his magical powers.
That would be awesome.
He could work in isolation in his lab (miniaturised of course), Z could magic up whatever he needed without needing him to go on a shopping run (23 rods of Uranium-38? A flux capacitor? 3 miles of copper wire, an avocado and a bottle of degreaser? Sure!) and GL could provide the power necessary as he creates his tech.
To power Z's spells, Aquaman's Trident and WW herself, being the Goddess of War, would be sufficient for her to magick up anything (not that she needs them, but just in case).
Cloaking spells which would stop telepaths/other magic users, layered on top of Cyborg's anti-tech cloaking, layered on top of GL cloaking them....
Whilst they are all shrunk to the size of an atom? I'm going to need to see some scans of Prof X (who's dead, so Red Skull I suppose) being able to detect something on that scale (of course, not Oan cloaking, but detecting someone who's incredibly tiny and also magically/technologically cloaked). Or any other telepath.
Ditto Strange, who's currently a whole bag of mess right now. Or anyone else, really, being able to detect a magically/technologically cloaked opponent (whom they have no reason to even suspect in the first place) who is shrunk down to the size of molecules.
Infiltration is easy.
Now, I realise I am mixing DCnU and preboot feats, but I feel justified in the case of Ray Palmer, as he hasn't had many appearances in DCnU (or even feats - all we know is that he has his abilities still, and is the science advisor for DCnU's most secretive science division).
With DCnU Cyborg there, they can EASILY boom tube all over Marvel Earth, laying their shrink tech at different parts of the core, in case people are wondering how long it would take. At the size that they are at, 2 weeks would be like an eternity (as a comparison, in JLA #42, when they were shrunk, a minute was like six months to them). Plenty of time for them to create whatever tech they need.
Then, on D-Day (Destroy Day), they trigger all the devices, the Earth's core is shrunk (or at least, large enough chunks of it), and Cyborg boom tubes it away. Destroying the Earth.
Supermex, that's what you wanted, isn't it??
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
To power Z's spells, Aquaman's Trident and WW herself, being the Goddess of War, would be sufficient for her to magick up anything (not that she needs them, but just in case).Cloaking spells which would stop telepaths/other magic users, layered on top of Cyborg's anti-tech cloaking, layered on top of GL cloaking them....
Whilst they are all shrunk to the size of an atom? I'm going to need to see some scans of Prof X (who's dead, so Red Skull I suppose) being able to detect something on that scale (of course, not Oan cloaking, but detecting someone who's incredibly tiny and also magically/technologically cloaked). Or any other telepath.
Ditto Strange, who's currently a whole bag of mess right now. Or anyone else, really, being able to detect a magically/technologically cloaked opponent (whom they have no reason to even suspect in the first place) who is shrunk down to the size of molecules.
Infiltration is easy.
Now, I realise I am mixing DCnU and preboot feats, but I feel justified in the case of Ray Palmer, as he hasn't had many appearances in DCnU (or even feats - all we know is that he has his abilities still, and is the science advisor for DCnU's most secretive science division).
With DCnU Cyborg there, they can EASILY boom tube all over Marvel Earth, laying their shrink tech at different parts of the core, in case people are wondering how long it would take. At the size that they are at, 2 weeks would be like an eternity (as a comparison, in JLA #42, when they were shrunk, a minute was like six months to them). Plenty of time for them to create whatever tech they need.
Then, on D-Day (Destroy Day), they trigger all the devices, the Earth's core is shrunk (or at least, large enough chunks of it), and Cyborg boom tubes it away. Destroying the Earth.
Supermex, that's what you wanted, isn't it??
Just f;;!kin bueatiful🙂
Originally posted by DarkSaint85 Whilst they are all shrunk to the size of an atom? I'm going to need to see some scans of Prof X (who's dead, so Red Skull I suppose) being able to detect something on that scale (of course, not Oan cloaking, but detecting someone who's incredibly tiny and also magically/technologically cloaked). Or any other telepath.Other cloaking aside, telepaths like Xavier are definitely capable of detecting beings at the micro level. Xavier's dark side was able to mentally enter the Microverse, locate particular characters, kill millions of beings etc. So he seems to have the ability even if he doesn't use it normally.Ditto Strange, who's currently a whole bag of mess right now. Or anyone else, really, being able to detect a magically/technologically cloaked opponent (whom they have no reason to even suspect in the first place) who is shrunk down to the size of molecules.
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Not saying that he would pick anything up without a reason to suspect something first, or get past any of the other cloaking, but just the scale alone wouldn't be a barrier.
No. Doom, Strange, Xavier, random telepaths, would detect them and wreck them. Hard.
Plus Earth's an elder god so I'm not sure how that'd go down. Also people like Storm and (pre-AvX) Magneto had links to the Earth so they'd know if something was going down.
Then geniuses like Black Panther and Reed who monitor stuff a lot.
Originally posted by DarkRaiden
No. Doom, Strange, Xavier, random telepaths, would detect them and wreck them. Hard.Plus Earth's an elder god so I'm not sure how that'd go down. Also people like Storm and (pre-AvX) Magneto had links to the Earth so they'd know if something was going down.
Then geniuses like Black Panther and Reed who monitor stuff a lot.
Hahaha. Yeah, no.
1. They have to be actively looking out for them;
2. They have to detect them when they are the size of an atom. Prof X tuned a LOT out just to get through the day. Plus, he's dead, so moot, but the same principle applies. They tune a lot out. Much less hearing the thoughts of a group who even at 1000x their miniaturised size, would still fit on a pin head;
3. They have to detect them when mystically cloaked by Z, who hasn't really shown a limit yet;
4. They have to then detect them past a GL cloak, wielded by a guy who actually overloaded his ring with willpower;
5. Then they have to detect them past a tech cloak thrown up by Cyborg, using Apokoliptian tech.
Yeah, sure, once we get past all five layers, am sure they'll find the group, no problem.
IMO, It's way too much of a stretch to think that they would not be detected by anybody during their infiltration. Anyone with a vested interest in Earth sticking around is going to be opposition, this isn't just the heroes and it's not just the people physically on Earth....hell, there are cosmic beings in that group.
Why would Gaia (Eldar God), Mephisto, any of the Omega Level Telepaths, or even people with time machines would not out a stop in this plan easy?
They go down hard if CIS or PIS is not a factor. Too many beings and people are in rated in earth, and have gone lengths to save it in times of weak writing.