Can the justice League destroy Marvel Earth?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hahaha. Yeah, no.

1. They have to be actively looking out for them;
2. They have to detect them when they are the size of an atom. Prof X tuned a LOT out just to get through the day. Plus, he's dead, so moot, but the same principle applies. They tune a lot out. Much less hearing the thoughts of a group who even at 1000x their miniaturised size, would still fit on a pin head;
3. They have to detect them when mystically cloaked by Z, who hasn't really shown a limit yet;
4. They have to then detect them past a GL cloak, wielded by a guy who actually overloaded his ring with willpower;
5. Then they have to detect them past a tech cloak thrown up by Cyborg, using Apokoliptian tech.

Yeah, sure, once we get past all five layers, am sure they'll find the group, no problem.

Doom has sensed the likes of Loki who has hidden from Odin. He'll see them. He also has experience with the microverse.

Tech isn't really a concern for Doom either seeing as his tech>>>>Cyborgs and the GL ring is laughable since Doom's willpower dwarfs any and everyones.

And you still didn't address the likes of Storm sensing them through the wind (something they wouldn't think to cloak) or sensing them through the Earth itself.

Plus if Legion were still alive, he'd see them and stop them too. He's done it before.

Originally posted by DarkRaiden
Doom has sensed the likes of Loki who has hidden from Odin. He'll see them. He also has experience with the microverse.

Tech isn't really a concern for Doom either seeing as his tech>>>>Cyborgs and the GL ring is laughable since Doom's willpower dwarfs any and everyones.

And you still didn't address the likes of Storm sensing them through the wind (something they wouldn't think to cloak) or sensing them through the Earth itself.

Plus if Legion were still alive, he'd see them and stop them too. He's done it before.

So Doom is sitting there, scanning for microscopic entities who can pop up ANYWHERE on Marvel Earth, and will detect them past mystical and technological cloaks, because he always just does this as standard? Riiiiight.

Lol @ Storm, who is a total non-factor, hence the lack of address. Somehow, she can detect microscopic entities 'through the wind' who are cloaked when they suddenly just pop up, say, in Beijing? And immediately knows they're a threat?

Legion's dead. So....moot.

Reread my earlier post. Point #1 is the most pressing. As per the OP, nobody is expecting them on Marvel Earth.

What about Snowbird and the Great Beasts? Surely they would detect a disturbance in the earths makeup.

I don't know. Seems like a tall order for DC.

Originally posted by tkitna
What about Snowbird and the Great Beasts? Surely they would detect a disturbance in the earths makeup.

I don't know. Seems like a tall order for DC.

Geez haha. Where were all these guys when Exitar came? Mephisto, Gaia, the Great Beasts etc?

Also, my plan involved no time at all. Cyborg can already boomtube, the rest was only because I thought it debateable that he could do it to something as large as the EArth's core.

I gotta side with DS here, the marvel arguments just seem to be ass pulls on a level with "Batman find a way"

It's implied that the DC crew would have to transfer from the DC universe to the Marvel universe (as they are attacking "Marvel Earth"😉. It's a bigger assumption to believe that such a disturbance wouldn't be detected by ANY Marvel being than it is to assume that it would.

Exitar isn't a relevant comparison. He's a celestial being that pre-existed in the Marvel universe. The DC crew meets neither of those criteria....at all.

This really just seems like a ridiculous scenario to me.

Marvel wins.

No chance. For one thing you have Franklin to contend with.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So Doom is sitting there, scanning for microscopic entities who can pop up ANYWHERE on Marvel Earth, and will detect them past mystical and technological cloaks, because he always just does this as standard? Riiiiight.

Lol @ Storm, who is a total non-factor, hence the lack of address. Somehow, she can detect microscopic entities 'through the wind' who are cloaked when they suddenly just pop up, say, in Beijing? And immediately knows they're a threat.

😂

OK, I need to see a scan of Cyborg boom tubing outside of the Darkseid vs JLA fight. I'm pretty sure circumstances was involved during that instance.

They have no prayer...

Franklin Richards has precognition; he'd know if the Earth was about to be destroyed...

Franklin Richards ends this team with a single thought...

Originally posted by janus77
No chance. For one thing you have Franklin to contend with.

👆

And as was correctly pointed out earlier in this thread, Marvel Earth is not a standard planet...

Its an Elder God; Gaea...

Nobody on that JLA team is killing an Elder God...

Originally posted by carver9
OK, I need to see a scan of Cyborg boom tubing outside of the Darkseid vs JLA fight. I'm pretty sure circumstances was involved during that instance.

I'm gonna reply to all of you.

Lol@Elder Gods. I guess the Illuminati should just ask her help against the Incursions.

Reed should ask his own son to help. Or maybe during the Ultron crises. Or Fear Itself. Or anything, really.

Originally posted by carver9
OK, I need to see a scan of Cyborg boom tubing outside of the Darkseid vs JLA fight. I'm pretty sure circumstances was involved during that instance.

First things first. In JLA#8, set 5 years after the fight with Darkseid, Cyborg mentions how out of every 1000 boomtube jumps, they get sent to Apokolips. This has happened twice before, and it's been 1,056 booms since they got sent there. That's nearly 2 boomtube jumps a day, every day for five years. I think it''s safe to say he can do it easily:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3234295-jl8-2.jpg

The problem of course, as you can see, is mass. Hence, Ray Palmer shrink tech.

Here are some more boom tube jumps. As you can see, it takes no time to initiate and can be done in the heat of battle. So it's not as if he needs time to charge up or anything (JLA 16):
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3235227-justiceleague_16_thegroup-009.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3235228-justiceleague_16_thegroup-015.jpg

They then fixed it, so he doesn't go to Apokolips all the time. The tradeoff, is that like Nightcrawler, he needs a link to it. Otherwise he might boom into space or underwater. Not that it matters here, because he wouldn't care where he's sending chunks of the Earth's core (JLA 15).
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3234572-justiceleague_15_thegroup-005.jpg

They then upgraded him (as alluded to in the previous scan) to operate underwater and in space. So that weakness was removed:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/122403/2894508-3.jpg

Random boomtubing (JLA #9):
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3234317-jl9-1.jpg

He then got ANOTHER upgrade, which makes him silent even to Superman's senses:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/36135/2989254-8091992222-2013-.jpg

They seem to have forgotten this, however (JLA 32):
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3998712-2014-07-30+07-41-52+-+justice+league+%282011-%29+032-010.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3998711-2014-07-30+07-41-52+-+justice+league+%282011-%29+032-011.jpg

It also operates from space to Earth (Superman/WW...11, I think?):

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/120679/4028147-superman-wonder+woman+%282013-%29+011-010.jpg

So yeah, he can and routinely boomtubes (especially as shown in the first scan, where he's doing an average of nearly 2 a day).

Originally posted by janus77
No chance. For one thing you have Franklin to contend with.

Like with the Age of Ultron, Thanos Imperative, the incursions, Fear Itself (where he actually had a role with Angrir....then did nothing else), Exitar, WWH (even as his own dad was enslaved etc)? Sure, OK.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
And as was correctly pointed out earlier in this thread, Marvel Earth is not a standard planet...

Its an Elder God; Gaea...

Nobody on that JLA team is killing an Elder God...

Yeah, Gaia was such a help when the rogue planet appeared (from an alternate universe, no less! and came for them). Ditto the incursions, also from alternate realities.

@Darksaint

In those story lines, Gaia and Franklin are not included because the writer chose not to include them...

They still are/are on Marvel Earth however...

In a forum environment there is no writer to ignore them; unless the OP specifies it we are to assume that they will react if possible...and react accordingly if they do react.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
@Darksaint

In those story lines, Gaia and Franklin are not included because the writer chose not to include them...

They still are/are on Marvel Earth however...

In a forum environment there is no writer to ignore them; unless the OP specifies it we are to assume that they will react if possible...and react accordingly if they do react.

In character, however, they won't do anything, is my argument. CIS is still on 😛

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Sometimes, I wish I could hate you to death.

First things first. In JLA#8, set 5 years after the fight with Darkseid, Cyborg mentions how out of every 1000 boomtube jumps, they get sent to Apokolips. This has happened twice before, and it's been 1,056 booms since they got sent there. That's nearly 2 boomtube jumps a day, every day for five years. I think it''s safe to say he can do it easily:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3234295-jl8-2.jpg

The problem of course, as you can see, is mass. Hence, Ray Palmer shrink tech.

Here are some more boom tube jumps. As you can see, it takes no time to initiate and can be done in the heat of battle. So it's not as if he needs time to charge up or anything (JLA 16):
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3235227-justiceleague_16_thegroup-009.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3235228-justiceleague_16_thegroup-015.jpg

They then fixed it, so he doesn't go to Apokolips all the time. The tradeoff, is that like Nightcrawler, he needs a link to it. Otherwise he might boom into space or underwater. Not that it matters here, because he wouldn't care where he's sending chunks of the Earth's core (JLA 15).
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3234572-justiceleague_15_thegroup-005.jpg

They then upgraded him (as alluded to in the previous scan) to operate underwater and in space. So that weakness was removed:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/122403/2894508-3.jpg

Random boomtubing (JLA #9):
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3234317-jl9-1.jpg

He then got ANOTHER upgrade, which makes him silent even to Superman's senses:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/36135/2989254-8091992222-2013-.jpg

They seem to have forgotten this, however (JLA 32):
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3998712-2014-07-30+07-41-52+-+justice+league+%282011-%29+032-010.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3998711-2014-07-30+07-41-52+-+justice+league+%282011-%29+032-011.jpg

It also operates from space to Earth (Superman/WW...11, I think?):

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/120679/4028147-superman-wonder+woman+%282013-%29+011-010.jpg

So yeah, he can and routinely boomtubes (especially as shown in the first scan, where he's doing an average of nearly 2 a day).

Like with the Age of Ultron, Thanos Imperative, the incursions, Fear Itself (where he actually had a role with Angrir....then did nothing else), Exitar, WWH (even as his own dad was enslaved etc)? Sure, OK.

Yeah, Gaia was such a help when the rogue planet appeared (from an alternate universe, no less! and came for them). Ditto the incursions, also from alternate realities.

👆 Good post.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Sometimes, I wish I could hate you to death.

First things first. In JLA#8, set 5 years after the fight with Darkseid, Cyborg mentions how out of every 1000 boomtube jumps, they get sent to Apokolips. This has happened twice before, and it's been 1,056 booms since they got sent there. That's nearly 2 boomtube jumps a day, every day for five years. I think it''s safe to say he can do it easily:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3234295-jl8-2.jpg

The problem of course, as you can see, is mass. Hence, Ray Palmer shrink tech.

Here are some more boom tube jumps. As you can see, it takes no time to initiate and can be done in the heat of battle. So it's not as if he needs time to charge up or anything (JLA 16):
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3235227-justiceleague_16_thegroup-009.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3235228-justiceleague_16_thegroup-015.jpg

They then fixed it, so he doesn't go to Apokolips all the time. The tradeoff, is that like Nightcrawler, he needs a link to it. Otherwise he might boom into space or underwater. Not that it matters here, because he wouldn't care where he's sending chunks of the Earth's core (JLA 15).
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3234572-justiceleague_15_thegroup-005.jpg

They then upgraded him (as alluded to in the previous scan) to operate underwater and in space. So that weakness was removed:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/122403/2894508-3.jpg

Random boomtubing (JLA #9):
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3234317-jl9-1.jpg

He then got ANOTHER upgrade, which makes him silent even to Superman's senses:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/36135/2989254-8091992222-2013-.jpg

They seem to have forgotten this, however (JLA 32):
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3998712-2014-07-30+07-41-52+-+justice+league+%282011-%29+032-010.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3998711-2014-07-30+07-41-52+-+justice+league+%282011-%29+032-011.jpg

It also operates from space to Earth (Superman/WW...11, I think?):

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/120679/4028147-superman-wonder+woman+%282013-%29+011-010.jpg

So yeah, he can and routinely boomtubes (especially as shown in the first scan, where he's doing an average of nearly 2 a day).

Like with the Age of Ultron, Thanos Imperative, the incursions, Fear Itself (where he actually had a role with Angrir....then did nothing else), Exitar, WWH (even as his own dad was enslaved etc)? Sure, OK.

Yeah, Gaia was such a help when the rogue planet appeared (from an alternate universe, no less! and came for them). Ditto the incursions, also from alternate realities.

👆

Cyborg is a beast.

DS is owning