Originally posted by Stoic
Evidently you don't know what I was saying. But your more than welcome to tell me what I was thinking. Oh wait that's exactly what you are doing. You're incorrect but feel free to believe a lie.So OWAW Superman, and HP DD were what tier exactly? Abstract level? I mean if they were tearing through the probes like paper, and the Probes were Sky Fatherish? Is this what you believe? What does that make WWIII Black Adam? Wasn't he going through Heroes left right and center as well?
As I said the Probes were teamwreckers of the highest order and even if we lowball them carver style the ones defeated should be at the very least HH. HP DD was High Trans or even low Skyfather if not higher, the way he defeated Darkseid and everyone else he faced in his Arc, the Probes further proof that he was above. Superman without the mental blocks was able to oneshot them, so them being HH or low Trans, at least the ones send against him, puts him on the level of HP DD. Both HP DD and OWAW Superman were insignificant compared to Imperiex Prime an Abstract, so no they were not Abstract level. Superman had to sundip and transform, which placed him physically in the Sykfather range, as he was able to push war world which was powered by the energies of Imperiex Prime, the energies of a Big Bang, he tanked the onslaught of WarWorlds defense systems with ease and pushed against it's engines.
Don't forget this was written by Loeb, so it is selfexplaining how Superman could reach such a high level.
Also don't confuse HP DD and Superman being so high with the rest in this tier, their placement is physical only.
We don't know how the daxamites fought.
But I always thought of the probes like this;
They have such high durability that unless you can -really- do a lot of damage in one hit, they'll mostly shrug it off. Much like the Hulk. You won't take them out by chipping away at them. You could throw a million high metas at them, and they'd be unaffected, where as a single high herald/trans character would be able to slice through them.
And Daxamites are generally shit, just like Kryptonians are in great numbers.
Originally posted by Estacado
So if the probes were high trans..how come Superman got b1tch smacked by Darkseid right after that fight?
Is Darkseid skyfather lvl now?
Originally posted by Estacado
Fair enough.
Later in a fair fight they stalemated that should still put DS well above high trans then near skyfather.
So unless you guys wanna assume both Owaw Superman and Darkseid are near skyfather lvl the probe argument is kinda dumb.
@KrisNo you dunt.uhuh
Originally posted by krisblaze
We don't know how the daxamites fought.But I always thought of the probes like this;
They have such high durability that unless you can -really- do a lot of damage in one hit, they'll mostly shrug it off. Much like the Hulk. You won't take them out by chipping away at them. You could throw a million high metas at them, and they'd be unaffected, where as a single high herald/trans character would be able to slice through them.
And Daxamites are generally shit, just like Kryptonians are in great numbers.
I aftually think Darkseid is skyfather level 😛
Originally posted by Sin I AMin Braniac’s narrative: “Full thrust counter-measure! How is he moving my planet? The Kryptonian does not have that power!” The panel clearly shows the blue Imperiex energies firing from WarWorld’s engines. Yes, Superman was resisting the awesome Imperiex-begotten force, and pushed WarWorld through a boom tube to the beginning of time (big bang).
But was clark pushing against the power of a big bang?
Originally posted by PhilosophíaIs this a serious post because this is utterly laughable to the point of blatant fanboyism.
Team 1. They're operating at a level where they're one-shotting trans-level characters, consistently, for days - something Thanos and WM Thor aren't capable of.That, and Doomsday [Hunter & Prey/ DD Wars/ OWAW] is one of the few villains in comics whose actual combat performance dwarfs Thanos [in fact, he has straight-up slaughtered Thanos' superior - Darkseid].
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Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
The weakest, if we assume they had different power levels, High Herald. The strongest low Trans to Skyfather. Some were wreaking Teams who had HH team members and 1 even a Planet with 100k Daxams.
Originally posted by h1a8
in Braniac’s narrative: “Full thrust counter-measure! How is he moving my planet? The Kryptonian does not have that power!” The panel clearly shows the blue Imperiex energies firing from WarWorld’s engines. Yes, Superman was resisting the awesome Imperiex-begotten force, and pushed WarWorld through a boom tube to the beginning of time (big bang).
Thats not the question i asked. I asked if he was pushing against the power of the big bang which he wasn't
Originally posted by Sin I AM
I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. Alotta claims made here seem to be baseless. Just assumptions of power levels based off cheese feats.
Brainiac had the energies of Imperiex, the energies of a Big Bang. Now it is up to you tbh. Brainiac used those energies to fight sundipped Superman, trying to prevent him from being braught to the beginning of the universe as it would mean his end. Would he use everything at his disposal to prevent this or would he just use a bit of energy to see if it is enough?
To Give you a measure. Before that when Imperiex armor was broken and the energies of a big bang released, Kyle was strong enough to hold them in a forcefield.
Everything was written by Loeb.