Superboy Prime vs Death Sentry

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Didn't say it made him invincible. You said he got sent to a place where he was burnt against his will when that wasn't the case. Sentry if he wanted to return could have done so when Thor was flying up to the sun but he didn't.

When he was in the sun Bobs will was in a constant battle with the Void. The Void trying to get Sentry to regenerate i.e from the atom Sentry mentions and Sentry would will against it. And the Void eventually got bored and decided the White Hot Room would make for better scenery.

I showed you that scan as evidence that Robert if he wants to can allow the sun to burn him to a skeleton but the Void told Sentry he didn't want it enough. Which allowed Void to take over and Sentry was rehealed.

Like I said before he has regenerated from more damage, the Molecule Man or Morgana Le Fay situation and returned.

As Robert explained in Uncanny Avengers as the Void left he was cleansed of his Agoraphobia which was probably when he started to feel good again for ages like since he first returned.

Again, my point was that he was dead. Are we ignoring he got killed? He can regenerate from seemingly worse damage, but if he can be killed, then he can die in a forum setting.

@Quan: As I mentioned, nothing is more desperate than bringing writers opinions, since they aren't even canon or anything. But if you're so in love with Bendis maybe you can fetch me that interview where he states Molecule Man > Sentry's powers.

Originally posted by Bentley
Again, my point was that he was dead. Are we ignoring he got killed? He can regenerate from seemingly worse damage, but if he can be killed, then he can die in a forum setting.

@Quan: As I mentioned, nothing is more desperate than bringing writers opinions, since they aren't even canon or anything. But if you're so in love with Bendis maybe you can fetch me that interview where he states Molecule Man > Sentry's powers.

I'm not ignoring the fact he was killed. I know he was.

The context is though is that in Siege he wanted to die. He wasn't killed under Thor's own power.

Don't know why Sentry being hurt is being brought up...especially when we have things like this...

http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss79/MoseyGod/cityd.jpg
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/actioncomics779-19_zps8ab034ec.jpg.html

Based off fts Sentry is stronger, faster, and more powerful than Zod.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
I'm not ignoring the fact he was killed. I know he was.

The context is though is that in Siege he wanted to die. He wasn't killed under Thor's own power.

Originally posted by iceman24567
So a man with a pistol could have killed him at that point?

Yeah easily, he wanted to die.

There's a reason why he could take hits from Ultron the Collective and Genis-Vell and not show physical harm.

A man with a pistol could have blasted him in the face during the time he asked Thor to kill him at the end of Siege and he would've died.

But it's because he wanted to die. Not because of his durability, it's such a different context.

That's why he returned when Molecule Man or Morgana Le Fay dispersed him. Because he wanted to come back. Whereas in Siege he wanted to die.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
I'm not ignoring the fact he was killed. I know he was.

The context is though is that in Siege he wanted to die. He wasn't killed under Thor's own power.

He was killed by Thor, Bob made it easier, but obviously he was already weakened by the Norn Stones and the Hellcarrier explosion. Sentry has no unlimited stamina.

Originally posted by Bentley
He was killed by Thor, Bob made it easier, but obviously he was already weakened by the Norn Stones and the Hellcarrier explosion. Sentry has no unlimited stamina.

Neither did I say he had unlimited stamina.

He was killed by Thor because Sentry wanted to die. In the same way that Sentry asked Hulk to punch him and he was bloodied. It's the exact same thing. Like I said to iceman if Sentry wanted to die when he fought MM or Morgana Le Fay he could've stayed dead. But he didn't he came back as he didn't want to die.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
I'm not ignoring the fact he was killed. I know he was.

The context is though is that in Siege he wanted to die. He wasn't killed under Thor's own power.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I wouldn't say Thor had nothing to do with it. He was voiding out again, but Thor ended him before he fully reverted back. A schmuck off the street would not have been able to kill him just like that...

I'm kind of conflicted to be honest, as we know Sentry doesn't disappear without him essentially saying so. So the fact that Thor was the one to throw the hit I wasn't sure whether or not he had much of an impact.

I only fought this as even when he was Norn stone empowered Void still took a hit from Thor.

Could you give me your opinion on the events in your view?

(just want to know as like I said I am a bit on 1 side and 1 on the other)

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Neither did I say he had unlimited stamina.

He was killed by Thor because Sentry wanted to die. In the same way that Sentry asked Hulk to punch him and he was bloodied. It's the exact same thing. Like I said to iceman if Sentry wanted to die when he fought MM or Morgana Le Fay he could've stayed dead. But he didn't he came back as he didn't want to die.

Sentry survived MM and Morgana because the nature of his powers, the uncommon molecules that form Sentry, are able to get themselves together despite of the manipulation those characters used. If Morgana or Molecule Man kept on destroying Sentry indefinitively he could've died all the same, as once his energy is depleted he cannot reform himself. There are countless examples of energy beings that can easily reform after being decomposed -think Doctor Manhattan-, but if they ran out of gas, obviously they'd be unable to reform.

My argument is that both in his battle against the Avengers in Siege and during his battle with World War Hulk Sentry spend most of his energy and was on the brink of actual death. Thor actually killed him and I think he could've killed him under analogue circumstances whether Bob wanted to live or not. He was taxed and his ability to reform was compromised despite Bob's refusal to live. Of course, Bob wanting to die helped to speed up the process.

The fact is, Thor can and has killed Sentry under his own power.

Originally posted by Bentley
Sentry survived MM and Morgana because the nature of his powers, the uncommon molecules that form Sentry, are able to get themselves together despite of the manipulation those characters used. If Morgana or Molecule Man kept on destroying Sentry indefinitively he could've died all the same, as once his energy is depleted he cannot reform himself. There are countless examples of energy beings that can easily reform after being decomposed -think Doctor Manhattan-, but if they ran out of gas, obviously they'd be unable to reform.

My argument is that both in his battle against the Avengers in Siege and during his battle with World War Hulk Sentry spend most of his energy and was on the brink of actual death. Thor actually killed him and I think he could've killed him under analogue circumstances whether Bob wanted to live or not. He was taxed and his ability to reform was compromised despite Bob's refusal to live. Of course, Bob wanting to die helped to speed up the process.

The fact is, Thor can and has killed Sentry under his own power.

He wasn't on the brink of death in either battle. In WWH he was on the edge of losing control but he wasn't about to die.

In both fights he was completely wiped. And you're right he survived because of the nature of his powers I 100% agree. I was just saying that if he wanted to not come back he just didn't need to reform himself.

Again I can only reiterate that I am in both 1 camp and the other with regards to what Celey said. But I think you're overdoing it slightly. If Sentry hadn't wanted to die Thor wouldn't have killed him with that last succession of hammer blasts.

In the same way he can fly into the sun and burn himself to a crisp but then instantly reform because according to the Void he didn't want it enough.

But like I said I am open to all points of view.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
He wasn't on the brink of death in either battle. In WWH he was on the edge of losing control but he wasn't about to die.

He might not have been in the brink of dead against Hulk, but he reverted to Bob against his will. What could've happened if someone attacked him right there, we can only guess.

Also I find the idea that he wasn't in the brink of death seconds before he actually died, absolutely misleading.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
In both fights he was completely wiped. And you're right he survived because of the nature of his powers I 100% agree. I was just saying that if he wanted to not come back he just didn't need to reform himself.

I haven't seen proof of that. I think Bob couldn't die back then even if he wanted to. People may argue he didn't wanted to die enough, but for me that is given way too much credit.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Again I can only reiterate that I am in both 1 camp and the other with regards to what Celey said. But I think you're overdoing it slightly. If Sentry hadn't wanted to die Thor wouldn't have killed him with that last succession of hammer blasts.

Maybe? Probably? As I said, for me Bob wanting to die sped up the process. My point is more about Thor actually being able to kill Sentry under his own power. In Siege Sentry was depicted as more powerful though, Thor would need man openings to get the job done and Sentry would likely stop him before things got ugly for him.

Originally posted by Bentley
He might not have been in the brink of dead against Hulk, but he reverted to Bob against his will. What could've happened if someone attacked him right there, we can only guess.

Also I find the idea that he wasn't in the brink of death seconds before he actually died, absolutely misleading.

I haven't seen proof of that. I think Bob couldn't die back then even if he wanted to. People may argue he didn't wanted to die enough, but for me that is given way too much credit.

Maybe? Probably? As I said, for me Bob wanting to die sped up the process. My point is more about Thor actually being able to kill Sentry under his own power. In Siege Sentry was depicted as more powerful though, Thor would need man openings to get the job done and Sentry would likely stop him before things got ugly for him.

If you had the ability of foresight (I don't mean that rudely) then technically yeah by that persons view he would be on the brink of death. We only know he wants to die when he starts saying kill me which in that case I 100% agree with you that he was on the brink of dying. I may have misinterpreted what you said in regards of Siege so for that I apologize.

Could you explain what you meant in your 2nd paragraph? Only as I don't want to make a wrong reply. Do you mean that if he hadn't wanted to come back he couldn't have stayed dead or something?

This is sort of my sticking point. Of course Robert was half between Void and himself at one point which was what allowed Thor to kill him. I'm just not sure how much was needed for Thor to add a finishing blow if even when empowered by the Norn Stones he still couldn't kill Void before.

So don't think I am being completely dismissive of your argument or anything. I just wanted to hear your opinion. I'm always open to being convinced.

Thor had the power to destroy his body. That combined with Sentry allowing himself to not regen keep him "dead"

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
This is sort of my sticking point. Of course Robert was half between Void and himself at one point which was what allowed Thor to kill him. I'm just not sure how much was needed for Thor to add a finishing blow if even when empowered by the Norn Stones he still couldn't kill Void before.

So don't think I am being completely dismissive of your argument or anything. I just wanted to hear your opinion. I'm always open to being convinced.

It's ok, I understand your stance one way or another.

Thor amped by the Norn Stones failed to kill Void, but after the amp went away, the damage remained, which is damage that Thor could've dealt otherwise -again, if given the opportunity-. Sentry/Void cannot take infinite hits from an enemy such and Thor and just reform indefinitively, I don't think his threshold of resistance is entirely above Thor's paycheck.

Originally posted by bbrem123
Thor had the power to destroy his body. That combined with Sentry allowing himself to not regen keep him "dead"

Yeah I agree with the way you put that.

Checks out to me. 👆

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
I'm kind of conflicted to be honest, as we know Sentry doesn't disappear without him essentially saying so. So the fact that Thor was the one to throw the hit I wasn't sure whether or not he had much of an impact.

I only fought this as even when he was Norn stone empowered Void still took a hit from Thor.

Could you give me your opinion on the events in your view?

(just want to know as like I said I am a bit on 1 side and 1 on the other)

Sentry was out for a while before he revived over and over in the sun.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsVoid06.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsVoid07.jpg

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Don't wanna go into too much detail, but I was wrong. He did revert back to full void and started attacking all the heroes again. I guess Thor ended him before his mindset was back to full Void as well. Considering the list of characters Thor has hurt when not holding back, killing Void isn't too much of a stretch.

Sentry was out for a while before he revived over and over in the sun.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsVoid06.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsVoid07.jpg

So you agree with what bbrem said in a way? Robert wanting to die with Thor hitting him.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
So you agree with what bbrem said in a way? Robert wanting to die with Thor hitting him.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Of course. What I was trying to get across was even though Voidtry was in a little more vulnerable state, it still would take a tremendous amount of power to put him out of his misery. Especially in that first scan we see Voidtry start wrecking the entirety of the heroes again before he was finally stopped. For example, characters like Iron Man or Captain Marvel though powerful in their own right, would never had duplicated such a feat. We're talking Thor/Surfer level of power here.

Okay that's good.

Just out of interest, what tier would you place Voidtry in?

(not to start a debate or anything, just interested in your opinion)