Originally posted by quanchi112
The writer confirmed his own work since you are pretending the Sentry didn't die because he allowed it to happen. Had he not wanted it to occur he would have regenerated.Sentry overpowered MM on panel. On panel factoid you seem to be all over the place at this point.
I got scans of Wolverine clawing Owen, again, human durability is very little to Sentry's abilities.
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
[B]In this article Bendis says.http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=26287
"Number two, yes, Bob realized that things had gone as far as they could possibly go. There was no other end for him and without his cooperation he doesn't go away. I just didn't want to have a line in the script where someone like Spider-Woman goes, "Boy, if he didn't want us to kill him, we couldn't have killed him." I see a lot of people got it,"
Sentry's appeal by saying "KILL ME" was the co-operation he offered. Which lead to Thor being able to kill him as Sentry asked for help./B]
Personally, I'm more on the lines of not ignoring the entire quote:
"I think we've all met crazy people in our lives, and I think you learn pretty quickly that when you're dealing with a crazy person, you can't trust what they're saying to be true. Just because the Sentry/The Void announced that he had the power of the Molecule Man, it doesn't mean that he actually did. He just thought that he did. He was a crazy person and maybe a drug addict, as the character's creator, Paul Jenkins, put out there. So not everything he was saying wasn't necessarily true. Maybe it was. Maybe it wasn't. I know that's difficult for some people, because when they read a story, they don't want to feel like they're being ****ed with. That character, though, was not in control of himself. There wasn't one second throughout the run of "Dark Avengers" where he was in control of himself."
Maybe Bob even lied and he didn't want to die when Thor killed him 👆
Originally posted by Laminator_X
The sun only really seems to have a definite edge when you're far away from it. The corona is much more cloudlike.Anyway, we've seen DS use infinitendrils. What are thoughts on crushing Prime beneath the weight of his own failure and awfulness, or even puppetting him like the Void did to Kingpin? Prime doesn't seem to be the most mentally stable of foes.
Playing mind games with Prime is one of the worse things you could do.
Originally posted by BentleyYou can't even be serious with this response. Wolverine didn't overpower MM's own abilities and regenerate from complete destruction.
I got scans of Wolverine clawing Owen, again, human durability is very little to Sentry's abilities.
The proof has already been posted. Quit covering your eyes and saying what ifs without anything to support it. The writer verified the comic and you are still in denial.
Originally posted by Bentley
Personally, I'm more on the lines of not ignoring the entire quote:"I think we've all met crazy people in our lives, and I think you learn pretty quickly that when you're dealing with a crazy person, you can't trust what they're saying to be true. Just because the Sentry/The Void announced that he had the power of the Molecule Man, it doesn't mean that he actually did. He just thought that he did. He was a crazy person and maybe a drug addict, as the character's creator, Paul Jenkins, put out there. So not everything he was saying wasn't necessarily true. Maybe it was. Maybe it wasn't. I know that's difficult for some people, because when they read a story, they don't want to feel like they're being ****ed with. That character, though, was not in control of himself. There wasn't one second throughout the run of "Dark Avengers" where he was in control of himself."
Maybe Bob even lied and he didn't want to die when Thor killed him 👆
Don't think he was lying, it's obvious he wanted to die.
Osborn controlled him in Dark Avengers, if you remember Osborne gave him a serum that lowered Sentry's stability so he would be easier to control.
The argument you make at the bottom of your post is just is backed by nothing. If Sentry was lying and didn't really want to die. Then he would've reformed. Just like he did in the Sun.
They made it very obvious Sentry wanted to die. He asked for Thor to kill him and they also foreshadowed it when he attempted to kill himself by flying into the sun. How much more do you need?
Like Bendis said "I just didn't want to have a line in the script where someone like Spider-Woman goes, "Boy, if he didn't want us to kill him, we couldn't have killed him.""
Originally posted by One_Angry_ScotNot only at but the writer confirmed the on panel depiction. It has been flat out confirmed in this instance.
Don't think he was lying, it's obvious he wanted to die.Osborn controlled him in Dark Avengers, if you remember Osborne gave him a serum that lowered Sentry's stability so he would be easier to control.
The argument you make at the bottom of your post is just is backed by nothing. If Sentry was lying and didn't really want to die. Then he would've reformed. Just like he did in the Sun.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Sentry overpowered MM on panel.
Owen was more mentally un-stable than ever before in Dark Reign,
which means he was more de-powered than ever before. (why he could only control molecules locally)
On panel it was also alluded that Owen sub-consciously wanted to lose.
btw. Owen was also a prisoner at the Raft, (at the beginning of Dark Reign) along with a bunch of nobodies.
It's been speculated that he allowed himself to be put there,
or that he was weak enuff for Avengers to imprison him due to grief concerning his loss of Marsha.
Whatever the reason,
we know per character history/make-up Owen's power-level is solely dependent on his mental status,
and in Dark Reign he was crazy as phuck. (not good at all for Owen)
Originally posted by Mr MasterSentry is unstable as well and showed he can overpower MM. Who else can overpower him at his own game iyo ?
It should be noted:Owen was more mentally un-stable than ever before in Dark Reign,
which means he was more de-powered than ever before. (why he could only control molecules locally)
On panel it was also alluded that Owen sub-consciously wanted to lose.
btw. Owen was also a prisoner at the Raft, (at the beginning of Dark Reign) along with a bunch of nobodies.
It's been speculated that he allowed himself to be put there,
or that he was weak enuff for Avengers to imprison him due to grief concerning his loss of Marsha.Whatever the reason,
we know per character history/make-up Owen's power-level is solely dependent on his mental status,
and in Dark Reign he was crazy as phuck. (not good at all for Owen)
Originally posted by Mr Master
It should be noted:Owen was more mentally un-stable than ever before in Dark Reign,
which means he was more de-powered than ever before. (why he could only control molecules locally)
On panel it was also alluded that Owen sub-consciously wanted to lose.
btw. Owen was also a prisoner at the Raft, (at the beginning of Dark Reign) along with a bunch of nobodies.
It's been speculated that he allowed himself to be put there,
or that he was weak enuff for Avengers to imprison him due to grief concerning his loss of Marsha.Whatever the reason,
we know per character history/make-up Owen's power-level is solely dependent on his mental status,
and in Dark Reign he was crazy as phuck. (not good at all for Owen)
So, Molecule Man wasn't operating at full potential?
Originally posted by bbrem123No they don't, sentrys powers fluctuate when he is afraid and/or insecure whereas owen's fluctuate due to his insanity
Funny that Sentry's powers fluctuate in the same way.Sentry was crazy as phuck as well in Dark Reign...Cant that argument go both ways? Just saying
Sentry wasn't unstable during that era either but was manifestating new powers due to the void taking over.
Originally posted by bbrem123
They made it very obvious Sentry wanted to die. He asked for Thor to kill him and they also foreshadowed it when he attempted to kill himself by flying into the sun. How much more do you need?Like Bendis said "I just didn't want to have a line in the script where someone like Spider-Woman goes, "Boy, if he didn't want us to kill him, we couldn't have killed him.""
The thing is, both are statements and both could be false, specially if we are aware that Void is a mitomaniac. During that interview Bendis implied that the discussion between Bob and Void in the sun, Void was lying. But people still take whatever he says at face value.
Maybe Bob did want to die, but that doesn't make the earlier lies told by Void true.
Personally I do think Bob wanted to die, and that it played a role on Thor killing him. That doesn't mean Bob can reform from anything an herald can dish (we've seen he can hang with heralds and beat them anyways, why people want to assume Heralds are entirely unable to take on him is beyond me).
Originally posted by ReflassshhSentry's powers fluctuate based on his mental state.
No they don't, sentrys powers fluctuate when he is afraid and/or insecure whereas owen's fluctuate due to his insanitySentry wasn't unstable during that era either but was manifestating new powers due to the void taking over.
Originally posted by BentleyWhere does Bendis say void was lying? Never saw that one before.
The thing is, both are statements and both could be false, specially if we are aware that Void is a mitomaniac. During that interview Bendis implied that the discussion between Bob and Void in the sun, Void was lying. But people still take whatever he says at face value.Maybe Bob did want to die, but that doesn't make the earlier lies told by Void true.
Personally I do think Bob wanted to die, and that it played a role on Thor killing him. That doesn't mean Bob can reform from anything an herald can dish (we've seen he can hang with heralds and beat them anyways, why people want to assume Heralds are entirely unable to take on him is beyond me).
So Bendis is lying now in his interviews. He couldnt have been any more clear with his statement about void allowing himself to die.
People say he cant be taken out by a Herald because it has never happened. He allowed Thor to do it. There is no evidence to support a Herald ever having the power to dispatch the void. They need some kind of buff to damage him (norn stones).
Originally posted by bbrem123Funny that Sentry's powers fluctuate in the same way.
Sentry was crazy as phuck as well in Dark Reign...
Cant that argument go both ways?
I don't know what Sentry/Void whatever's greatest feat is, or what his best average showings are,
but Owen (mentally stable) went from multiversal (space-time) re-structuring with ease,
to ending up as a local matter manipulator. (schizophrenic/delusional/depressed)
Don't get me wrong, even this Owen was fairly powerful, (in a world of heroes&villains)
but nothing compared to mentally stable Owen. (who re-created all the stars of a galaxy as a newb)
Any defeat Owen (mentally stable) suffered is painted with circumstances/stipulations.
Originally posted by quanchi112Sentry
Who else can overpower him at his own game iyo ?
But to address your question:
There are several characters that can manipulate matter locally, most Eternals, and Heralds for example, Mr M, etc.
So, at the level Owen was operating, basically the same imo, I can see any of these getting the upper hand,
so long as there's a willfulness to lose like Owen had imo.
Owen was easily distracted by a nuke he deterred right before Sentry got a hold of his molecules.
The scene is senseless, Owen ends up being the one re-structuring the heroes he morphed and the 44 townspeople as well
while Sentry holds his molecules after Sentry admitted Owen was better than him at molecular control.
The precision Owen displayed under such stress tells me he wanted to make things right and just go away.
Again, on a sub-conscious level, which is what certain on panel scenarios suggest.
Originally posted by Golgo13So, Molecule Man wasn't operating at full potential?
FP MM (evil MM) is infinities above Owen Reece. (mentally stable)
Originally posted by Mr MasterSentry needed to learn and did so. I disagree that Owen wanted to lose.
Good point. Yet there is a detailed difference imo.I don't know what Sentry/Void whatever's greatest feat is, or what his best average showings are,
but Owen (mentally stable) went from multiversal (space-time) re-structuring with ease,
to ending up as a local matter manipulator. (schizophrenic/delusional/depressed)Don't get me wrong, even this Owen was fairly powerful, (in a world of heroes&villains)
but nothing compared to mentally stable Owen. (who re-created all the stars of a galaxy as a newb)
Any defeat Owen (mentally stable) suffered is painted with circumstances/stipulations.Imo, Owen, although severely de-powered, subconsciously also wanted to lose.
But to address your question:
There are several characters that can manipulate matter locally, most Eternals, and Heralds for example, Mr M, etc.
So, at the level Owen was operating, basically the same imo, I can see any of these getting the upper hand,
so long as there's a willfulness to lose like Owen had imo.
Owen was easily distracted by a nuke he deterred right before Sentry got a hold of his molecules.
The scene is senseless, Owen ends up being the one re-structuring the heroes he morphed and the 44 townspeople as well
while Sentry holds his molecules after Sentry admitted Owen was better than him at molecular control.The precision Owen displayed under such stress tells me he wanted to make things right and just go away.
Again, on a sub-conscious level, which is what certain on panel scenarios suggest.FP Owen Reece (mentally stable) displayed multiversal influence.
FP MM (evil MM) is infinities above Owen Reece. (mentally stable)
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbePost the evidence or cite it, boy.
What's interesting. If the Sentry front says that Sentry lost a fight because he was mentally unstable, wanted to lose, wanted to die, it is ok but if the MM front says that MM was mentally unstable, wanted to lose, wanted to die, it is not ok. Smh.