Originally posted by The Renegade
No, it isn't. I'm sorry to tell you. You're not really even presenting arguments. You're just attaching "sick fuck" to make what you're saying have any sense of impact.If couples or consenting adults want to indulge in any particular brand of fantasy, whether the intention is to "get off" or not, it's acceptable. Stop being judgmental. If you want to be judgmental, focus on how David ACTUALLY interacted with, say, Selphie when she was underaged or sit here and spend time calling me out and thinking I'm full of shit.
However, don't call this sick when there's genuine sick shit that happened. It's in REALLY poor taste.
Let's put it this way. Fantasizing about doing something extremely traumatizing (to say the least) to someone is kinda sick.
Would you consider a pedophile who fantasizes about raping children, but has never actually done so irl, a sick ****? Because most people would.
Now exchange the words ''pedophile'' and ''children'' in that sentence, for the words ''rapist'' and ''legal adult females''. Catch my drift, you sick ****?
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
you were attempting to alter the premise of the fantasy as "just pretend rape." as in "she is not really being raped in this fantasy. everyone is just pretending". its because of stuff like this that people think you're being thoroughly disingenuous.
That's what it was. I wasn't altering the premise of shit. That's literally what it was. No one was actually harmed, nor were there plans to harm anyone, legal age or not.
I stopped it because I wasn't purposely comfortable proceeding, even though it wasn't real.
It sucks that people think that but that's life. It's not a common thing nor is it a particularly standard strain of research.
Originally posted by Slay
Let's put it this way. Fantasizing about doing something extremely traumatizing (to say the least) to someone is kinda sick.Would you consider a pedophile who fantasizes about raping children, but has never actually done so irl, a sick ****? Because most people would.
Now exchange the words ''pedophile'' and ''children'' in that sentence, for the words ''rapist'' and ''legal adult females''. Catch my drift, you sick ****?
Of course, because that's extremely taboo. I'm sorry, but fantasy rape isn't. It literally happens all of the time. Couples tie each other up and do it, people cyber it, etc.
I also wouldn't consider cybering and performing sexual fantasies about children normal either. However, it would be fantastical. Nothing would actually happen. That's still sick, obviously, but there's circumstance you're missing here with the niece incident, like the fact that I wasn't actually participating to get off but was analyzing his sexual obsessions.
It doesn't matter anyway. I'm not saying it was right. It was wrong. I'm just arguing it isn't "sick." We obviously have different definitions when using that word because I use it quite seriously, not toward a consensual fantasy exchange that one party didn't accept as genuine.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
the thing i'm struggling with though: why start it in the first place?
I was studying the sociological aspects (primarily) of sexology. There was David and two others, two people from here and one from elsewhere, that I studied. I had heard that a lot of people on this forum, many times, had strange fetishes or had commonly interacted on a sexual level so it seemed like a good place.
and after, if it was only objective observation and study, why the personal ethical dilemma all of the sudden?
People were offering information, some who weren't entirely comfortable, so it seemed inappropriate of me to not share. I was on the fence about it being "wrong" but, as I've said, I discussed it further with other members and realized it wasn't ethically acceptable. It was a mistake.
Originally posted by The Renegade
People were offering information, some who weren't entirely comfortable, so it seemed inappropriate of me not to share as well. I was on the fence about it being "wrong" but, as I've said, I discussed it further with other members and realized it wasn't ethically acceptable. It was a mistake.
either way I don't think you are to blame. nor do i think any of the girls who used to think of him as "annoying but harmless" are to blame. AC is to blame for his own actions.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
either way I don't think you are to blame. nor do i think any of the girls who used to think of him as "annoying but harmless" are to blame. AC is to blame for his own actions.
No, I am. I exploited him. I'm responsible for performing unethical research. It was wrong. What AC has done here is horrendous but I'm not saint in this, as I imagine you're aware of.
However, if I'd known of this underage shit, especially him personally talking to underaged girls, such as Selphie, or manipulating others in dirty ways, I would never have continued. I would've been out immediately.
