Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Ok, this is getting ridiculous.Now they're beheading random passersby even in broad daylight.
They're pulling over cars and executing drivers who come their way. You basically get killed if you drive through a checkpoint.
Stuff like that has been happening for 10 years in Iraq. Seen many a daylight, middle of the street beheading video back when it was al-Zarqawi doing it.
Let's not forget that six months ago the UK government tried to pass a vote in parliament to arm isis to fight Assad. You have to wonder how many times we'll help depose a relatively secular if still abhorrent regime and end up with something far worse and still call it a mistake. That's now Iraq, Syria, Libya and Egypt where our diplomatic and/or military intervention has totally ****ed the country and let hard line extremists get varying degrees of power.
Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Ok, this is getting ridiculous.Now they're beheading random passersby even in broad daylight.
They're pulling over cars and executing drivers who come their way. You basically get killed if you drive through a checkpoint.
Not that I don't doubt it but where did you read/hear about this? I didn't see it anywhere on aol news and I also did a google search and nothing related to it came up.
Originally posted by jaden101
That's now Iraq, Syria, Libya and Egypt where our diplomatic and/or military intervention has totally ****ed the country and let hard line extremists get varying degrees of power.
Not to get all french apologist here but we wanted a more firm hands on approach on Syria from the get to go, but the slow reaction from other countries made it impossible.
As far as Syria goes, it's hard to directly intervene when nuclear-armed Russia is backing them. As for the other countries, we can't be blamed if they choose to use their chance at freedom to bolster their own obsolete views. It's standard cause and effect. The authoritarian government were merciless towards their citizens, so in turn their citizens act mercilessly when finally given power. I don't believe we should rob countries of a chance at democratic freedom just because they are at the moment too ignorant to understand it. It's a power it will take a massive amount of time to learn to wield correctly due to their countries truculent backgrounds. But that doesn't mean they don't deserve to have it.
Originally posted by Bentley
Not to get all french apologist here but we wanted a more firm hands on approach on Syria from the get to go, but the slow reaction from other countries made it impossible.
We don't know what would have happened in Syria if America had intervened militarily in 2011 or 2012. It might have been much worse, but it also could have been much better.
They are saying ISIS used a female American hostage essentially as a rape slave before they killed her. Truly disgusting.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/officials-kayla-mueller-isis-commander/story?id=28870880
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Yeah, I don't think you can say that Extremists became powerful in Syria because of Western intervention, because there really wasn't any. The "Diplomatic" intervention in Syria was paltry, and came out to harsh words and toothless economic sanctions because Syria wasn't all that dependent on American/EU trade anyway and buys all of its weapons from Russia and China.We don't know what would have happened in Syria if America had intervened militarily in 2011 or 2012. It might have been much worse, but it also could have been much better.
TBF, it's practically impossible to threaten or engage a country when said country has the full backing and support of nuclear-armed Russia.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
It's actually not going to be a real war, not for America anyway.It will be a prolonged air campaign to support local ground forces. Basically nothing has changed after Obama's speech except that now he's talking about bombing targets in Syria.
Hmm, so Obama asking Congress to declare war isn't a real war?
Originally posted by Lestov16
TI, do you want war with ISIS or no? If Obama does something that appears to support war, you criticize him, but if he does something that appears to dispel war, you criticize him also.
Honestly, these are dark days ahead for the world, and I fear for many countries. I have turned off all TV and quit reading or watching the news because its all bad. I fear for the lives of Americans that have to be put back in harms way.
Originally posted by Lestov16
This does seem to be inevitable. The extent of US involvement ultimately will depend on how much of a threat ISIS poses to the homeland though. If they were to ever perpetrate an attack on US soil, any public hesitancy to go back to Iraq would be nullified. I fear the imminency of such an attack.
I actually don't fear a attack on the homeland much anymore. Mainly because we have plenty of domestic terrorism and usually they are isolated incidents. The amount of bodies this war will yield is regrettable. Its sad people just cant get along anymore.
Originally posted by Bentley
Not to get all french apologist here but we wanted a more firm hands on approach on Syria from the get to go, but the slow reaction from other countries made it impossible.
Yes. But against the Assad regime.
The west decided in Libya and Syria to arm and aid 'rebels' against standing secular regimes. As well as in Iraq. These removals and weakening of those regimes have directly led to Islamic extremists to gain power and land they never would have had a hope of gaining if it weren't for western intervention.
We were bombing ISIS six months ago. No one was talking about arming them.
The vote in the UK parliament in august last year was for military action not against ISIS but against the Assad regime for the alleged use of chemical weapons as well as to provide lethal assistance to groups fighting Assad
We'd already had the complete **** up of trying to arm 'moderates'. That ended up with John Mccain having a photo taken with members of ISIS.