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Delta1938 True King of House of El

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
I'm almost scared of what the answer might be, but, in that scene on page 1 where Supes is fighting Mongul, given that Mongul has no chest plate or upper body ray devices like Iron Man or even Kraven the Hunter, where exactly is Mongul firing a beam from?
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IIRC Mongul had a weapon surgically implanted into his chest.

sta8541 Junior Member

This thread is totally awesome. Thank you, so much, for the work that went into it, & for sharing it with us.

panthergod Restricted

This thread is nearly PEFECT!. The ONLY issue i have is with a couple timeline placements; I'd say Morrison's JLA was BEFORe the Mongul trainin upgrade at the beginning of Loeb/ Berganza era.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Not that anybody doubts it but Kyle admits he is not as powerful as Superman.

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Zack Fair Fanboy

boner alert.

Really like the layout and organization. great job phil

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

A 15 yer old Clark who had his powers jumpstarted, oneshots a white martian.

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abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Ok, its often asked just how powerful Sundipped Superman was compared to normal Superman in OWAW.

So first lets see how Normal Superman, Captain Marvel, Captain Atom and Wonder Woman were faring against mere hardlight constructs of Warworld.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24028860/Man_Of_Steel_117_pg09.jpg.html

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24028862/Man_Of_Steel_117_pg10.jpg.html

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24028865/Man_Of_Steel_117_pg11.jpg.html

Not great it seems. Entropy Aegis comes and oneshots all of them in one panel.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24028866/Man_Of_Steel_117_pg12.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24028868/Man_Of_Steel_117_pg13.jpg.html

Now Warworld's tendril that was connecting to Earth. It was so strong that a suicide attempt by Maxima and Massacre was just enough to send a shiver through it.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24028862/Man_Of_Steel_117_pg10.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24028865/Man_Of_Steel_117_pg11.jpg.html

Entropy Aegis severed it in one attack though. The tendrils healed back.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24028866/Man_Of_Steel_117_pg12.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24028868/Man_Of_Steel_117_pg13.jpg.html

And even Themyscira thrown to the tendril barely caused any trouble to it.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24028871/Man_Of_Steel_117_pg14.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24028872/Man_Of_Steel_117_pg15.jpg.html

Superman, Captain Marvel and Captain Atom were unable to do anything to it apparently, so they went in to divert B13's attention. So far so good.

Until B13 makes the tendrils a hundred times more powerful and even Entropy Aegis is useless.

Superman sundipped and effortlessly broke the conduits/tendrils magnified hundredfold in power when normal Superman couldn't take it on at normal level along with several top tiers.

Superman was at least powered up by a factor of hundreds.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Edit

Philosophía "The devil made me do it"

Some updates from Convergence.

Superman vs the Flashpoint versions of Captain Marvel (i.e. Captain Thunder), Abin Sur and Cyborg:

Round I:

Round II:

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

This is a doozy. You know when Superman ripped Darkseid from source wall? That has happened once before and it took Metron weakening source wall and a fricking Promethean Giant to do it.

That shows how insane that feat was. And the feat where Superman destroys a planet size chunk is even more insane.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Survives a red sun supernova.

dvampire xenogears

That's a speed feat. He's in the galaxy to warn ran of the supernova but evacuated before it hit him. He's very fast.

CatL18 Senior Member

How do you interpret Cosmic Armor Superman's metafictional feat in Superman Beyond 3D?
Some said that he is far beyond DC "story" and above even Presence or WF mxy because they are still within DC "story".
Others said that Cosmic Armor is only Skyfather level because of statement about "heat of 10 billion sun".
What tier do you put him?

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

^ Thought-Robot was =/> than Mandrakk I, who represented the essence of 'evil story' on a metatextual level, and had been siphoning the multiverse's Bleed into himself for eons. Due to Thought-Robot's adaptive/dynamic nature, he and Mandrakk continuously became more and more powerful as the story progressed. The battle finally ended when Thought-Robot pushed Mandrakk into the Overvoid -- the mind of the Primal Monitor.

To put the original Mandrakk's power into perspective, even his vastly weaker iteration [Rox Ogama/Mandrakk II] was >> Spectre+Radiant. It ultimately required a wish from the Miracle Machine, in conjunction with direct intervention from SuperJudge Nix Uotan(who was acting in a multiversal capacity), to overcome him.

That being said, Thought-Robot was about as powerful as a character/item/object can be within the realm of in-universe story... Beyond multiversal. The notion that it was Skyfather-level is absurd, and likely propagated by people who either a.) are trying to downplay it by any means(no matter how ridiculous), b.) simply did not comprehend the source material, OR c.) a mixture of both.

CatL18 Senior Member

Originally posted by Galan007
^ Thought-Robot was =/> than Mandrakk I, who represented the essence of 'evil story' on a metatextual level, and had been siphoning the multiverse's Bleed into himself for eons. Due to Thought-Robot's adaptive/dynamic nature, he and Mandrakk continuously became more and more powerful as the story progressed. The battle finally ended when Thought-Robot pushed Mandrakk into the Overvoid -- the mind of the Primal Monitor.
To put the original Mandrakk's power into perspective, even his vastly weaker iteration [Rox Ogama/Mandrakk II] was >> Spectre+Radiant. It ultimately required a wish from the Miracle Machine, in conjunction with direct intervention from SuperJudge Nix Uotan(who was acting in a multiversal capacity), to overcome him.
That being said, Thought-Robot was about as powerful as a character/item/object can be within the realm of in-universe story... Beyond multiversal. The notion that it was Skyfather-level is absurd, and likely propagated by people who either a.) are trying to downplay it by any means(no matter how ridiculous), b.) simply did not comprehend the source material, OR c.) a mixture of both.

Thank you for your response, Galan.

In fact, i can understand that power level of Cosmic Armor depends on how people interpret metafictional concept by Grant Morrison in Superman Beyond 3D and other Morrison's story(because Morrison's story are related to each other).
So, i can understand that there are difference about how people interpret CAS, and there are people who treat CAS as ridiculous.
But, considering only that Bleed space encompasses DC "story"(because Bleed is ink) and how tiny is Bleed space from higer sphere, CAS being only Skyfather level is nonsense, i think.

Do most people discussing CAS in all over the internet actually read Final Crisis and Superman Beyond 3D(and Supergods written by Morrison)?
Or, do people misunderstand Superman Beyond 3D because it is too metafictional?
Or, do people discuss without reading?

Philosophía "The devil made me do it"

So, I'm in a dilemma.

I can either:

a). Update the thread with post-Crisis/pre-Flashpoint Superman feats post-Rebirth

or

b). Wait until mid-year after the Superman crossover/Rebirth reveals are done, to see what's the deal with New 52 Superman/this version [Pre-Flashpoint].

Now, my assumption is that they will merge/it will be revealed that they're the same character, in which case:

1). I have to update this thread with New 52 Superman feats [since they're the same character]
2). Also add the feats from Rebirth up to the merging/reveal.

CosmicComet Senior Member

I would go with B.

-Pr- Hey Yo!

Same.