Storm vs. Cyborg

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So he can take and assimilate different technologies...but somehow we won't give him the benefit of assuming he could just absorb the lightning?

Considering BP could do it easily....

I honestly think he would have to turn on his lightning defenses.

In example his fight with Doctor Light. Vic was the one who beat him in the end because he turned out his 'light defense panel something'.

It's well within reason to assume that he can do something like that, because he can absorb say light as a source of energy, but we can't just go wild with that line of reasoning and assume that Cyborg can defend always defend against everything he's proven to be capable of absorbing/utilizing.

Storm's winds are strong enough to hold down Emma Frost btw, in her diamond form.

Her winds ARE strong, her cold, cold. No one is disputing that.

Vic has freeze rays of his own, he could also dish out the freezing. Plus, BFR.

Sure, some people (passive aggressively looking at you, Leonidas) may say it's a cheap win.

A win is a win is a win. I find characters who forget their abilities and slug things out to be a cheap loss, but so what? The Hulk wins by KO. So does HP Doomsday, Konvikt, etc. Should we discount their victories because they used their fists?

No we shouldnt.
My biggest beef, personally, with BFR is when posters use it despite OPs saying its not in play.
In this thread, even if Storm completely outclassed Vic, which she doesnt, the BFR option still gives Vic the win.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Her winds ARE strong, her cold, cold. No one is disputing that.

Vic has freeze rays of his own, he could also dish out the freezing. Plus, BFR.

Sure, some people (passive aggressively looking at you, Leonidas) may say it's a cheap win.

A win is a win is a win. I find characters who forget their abilities and slug things out to be a cheap loss, but so what? The Hulk wins by KO. So does HP Doomsday, Konvikt, etc. Should we discount their victories because they used their fists?

passively aggressive? i think i was pretty blunt. i petitioned mods years back to remove bfr as wins. hulk>>>cyborg, yet in a forum fight cyborg wins 10/10 by bfr. these fights were intended to determine who is the more powerful. bfr is a cheap win, and typically in the forum used by characters who are weaker than their opponent as a way to win. i've never liked it and will rarely ever use it unless there is a clear mismatch.

this isn't a clear mismatch at all. and i don't think it illogical to have some doubts whether cyborg could shrug off something like this:

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/BATTLE.jpg.html

again, sonics would be difficult to counter, but i thought they were a directional attack, i also don't know the range of the attack--would it affect her at 500m? colossus is cl100 but was frozen instantly. would borg be frozen long enough for a win? some of her feats ARE really really good. so....yeah. shrug

Cyborg would shit on Hulk, make the thread! 😎

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Her winds ARE strong, her cold, cold. No one is disputing that.

Vic has freeze rays of his own, he could also dish out the freezing. Plus, BFR.

Sure, some people (passive aggressively looking at you, Leonidas) may say it's a cheap win.

A win is a win is a win. I find characters who forget their abilities and slug things out to be a cheap loss, but so what? The Hulk wins by KO. So does HP Doomsday, Konvikt, etc. Should we discount their victories because they used their fists?

He can't BFR Storm? She can fly really fast (that sounded dumb).

I agree with your general assessment of this fight though. Unlike Storm, Victor can actually survive some of his opponent's attacks.

We don't discount their wins, but we're because we know what PIS is and try to find common ground around that.

Originally posted by leonidas
passively aggressive? i think i was pretty blunt. i petitioned mods years back to remove bfr as wins. hulk>>>cyborg, yet in a forum fight cyborg wins 10/10 by bfr. these fights were intended to determine who is the more powerful. bfr is a cheap win, and typically in the forum used by characters who are weaker than their opponent as a way to win. i've never liked it and will rarely ever use it unless there is a clear mismatch.

this isn't a clear mismatch at all. and i don't think it illogical to have some doubts whether cyborg could shrug off something like this:

http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/BATTLE.jpg.html

again, sonics would be difficult to counter, but i thought they were a directional attack, i also don't know the range of the attack--would it affect her at 500m? colossus is cl100 but was frozen instantly. would borg be frozen long enough for a win? some of her feats ARE really really good. so....yeah. shrug

Ha, I meant I was being passive aggressive 😛

What do you mean by power? I guess I just don't like comic fights where someone who's typically fighting a brick forgets half their powers (or intelligence, or speed) for the sake of an exciting plot. Hence, these forums.

It typically MAY be used by a weaker character, but also, by an intelligent character. Constantine, for example, would use it if he could. Someone like Cyborg, who can process vast amounts of information, and has been the go to guy for Batman? You would have to argue EXTREME CIS for him not to use BFR the second the battle was going badly for him.

Also, with regards to the EMP, he has one of his own - so you would ASSUME he was shielded against it. Otherwise, as soon as he used it, he'd shut himself off, right?

Not to mention, he can control electronic devices. Does Storm still have radio circuitry in her suit?

I assume you're referring to the bolt of lightning I showed as pis.... Fact is it didn't really do anything at all to ss except catch him off guard. But that doesn't mean it wouldn't do some serious harm to Vic. I show a dozen scans of her lightning to support its power. I'm curious to know when asking for proof turned someone into the passive aggressive bad guy. :/

Originally posted by krisblaze
Cyborg would shit on Hulk, make the thread! 😎

He can't BFR Storm? She can fly really fast (that sounded dumb).

I agree with your general assessment of this fight though. Unlike Storm, Victor can actually survive some of his opponent's attacks.

We don't discount their wins, but we're because we know what PIS is and try to find common ground around that.

What if he boom tubes her to Australia? Or China? Or Mars? Or the bottom of the ocean? Or the edges of space?

Or, he accidentally booms her to Apokolips (which is always a possibility)? So in character, he tries sending her away, only for her to be sent to Apokolips by accident.

He still would win by BFR 😛

Oh, and he also tanked a point-blank ish shot from Captain Cold's freeze ray, in the chest. Plus of course, the times he's been in space, deeep underwater, in the Himalayas, the Arctic, and of course has his own freeze ray.

Originally posted by leonidas
I assume you're referring to the bolt of lightning I showed as pis.... Fact is it didn't really do anything at all to ss except catch him off guard. But that doesn't mean it wouldn't do some serious harm to Vic. I show a dozen scans of her lightning to support its power. I'm curious to know when asking for proof turned someone into the passive aggressive bad guy. :/

I was the one being passive aggressive....oh you've ruined my fine joke now 🙁

Reported for not acknowledging what a splendid fellow I am.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ha, I meant I was being passive aggressive 😛

What do you mean by power? I guess I just don't like comic fights where someone who's typically fighting a brick forgets half their powers (or intelligence, or speed) for the sake of an exciting plot. Hence, these forums.

It typically MAY be used by a weaker character, but also, by an intelligent character. Constantine, for example, would use it if he could. Someone like Cyborg, who can process vast amounts of information, and has been the go to guy for Batman? You would have to argue EXTREME CIS for him not to use BFR the second the battle was going badly for him.

Also, with regards to the EMP, he has one of his own - so you would ASSUME he was shielded against it. Otherwise, as soon as he used it, he'd shut himself off, right?

Not to mention, he can control electronic devices. Does Storm still have radio circuitry in her suit?

Ohhhhhhh... Lol. Sorry I misunderstood. I would assume you're right about the emp, but the effects of the lightning itself is pretty profound. I've read most of the nu jla but don't really recall him dealing with something like that so was curious why some were dismissing it. Vic could take it. And I get your point regarding bfr, it has always just seemed like a cheap way for a character to win. It actually is a way to AVOID a battle, which I find ironic on a battle board....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
[b]I was the one being passive aggressive....oh you've ruined my fine joke now 🙁

Reported for not acknowledging what a splendid fellow I am. [/B]

Well stop typing so damn fast and give a guy a chance would ya!! 😠 you are kinda splendid. 😮

Or you could type faster leo, you slowpoke!!

sneer

Haha

What feats are you trying to see?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Or you could type faster leo, you slowpoke!!

sneer

you think i don't use caps because i'm a GOOD typist?? sneer

Originally posted by Sin I AM
What feats are you trying to see?

curse darksaint and his damn huge scans!! 😠

anyway, i was really looking for some feats period. power output and durability would be cool to get a better overall sense of him. like i said, i don't recall seeing too many as i read through the nu justice league....

What happen after Cyborg got hit with Capt Cold's gun?

http://www.comicvine.com/cyborg/4005-2388/forums/new-52-cyborg-respect-thread-675909/#1/

I don't have a computer only a cheap android so you'd have to go to comicvine if you wanted to see his respect thread

Nice, actual feats to be ignored! 👆 😉

ignoring? lol you're an annoying little thing, aren't you...? i don't think i've ever seen you post a single piece of proof in any thread, ever. but by all means keep pointing out "flawed logic" without any support and riding the coattails of people who ACTUALLY contribute to threads via proof. riding coattails--that's what all the respected members do. 👆 welcome to ignore. lol