Classic Dr Strange vs Death Sentry

Well seeing as logic doesn't work.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t461496.html

No outside help
Unless specified otherwise, no contestant may call for outside assistance, even in scenario matches. For example, Captain America cannot call in the Avengers during a fight with Batman.

Though the rules and you naturally don't get along. And IT never stated otherwise.

And Order and Chaos only helped because they were pissed at IB. LT outright banned that from happening in a later case. This is a prep thread. Not anyone and everyone vs Sentry thread. If that's the case with prep threads then an hour at most for most people is all that's needed for them to convince everyone to help. And thus completely pointless.

^Agree with Bran on this one.

The Order and Chaos incident in example is so incredibly specific to Inbetween.

Anygays, I still think Strange wins via soul shenanigans, superior TP and other stuff.

Originally posted by carver9
Yes. Look at the last 3 threads he has made. Then he gave only Strange prep.

If you have a problem confront me directly coward.

Originally posted by janus77
I don't buy what Death Sentry says, and frankly that would be a kind of no-limits fallacy situation as Death Sentry's not faced anyone that powerful yet, so we've not seem him properly tested to even "trans" levels.

Strange has taken on high order cosmics with prep.

Prep makes this a stomp in favour of Strange.

While I can agree with the no limits fallacy of the statement, I do think he is Trans Tier. Void very much was IMO Trans and I think DS Sentry is in no way inferior to Sentry/Void.

Originally posted by CadenceV2
While I can agree with the no limits fallacy of the statement, I do think he is Trans Tier. Void very much was IMO Trans and I think DS Sentry is in no way inferior to Sentry/Void.

He certainly is Trans Tier.

I don't see any High Herald (equalling/exceeding depending on your view of the comic) the power of every hero on Earth.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
He certainly is Trans Tier.

I don't see any High Herald (equalling/exceeding depending on your view of the comic) the power of every hero on Earth.

Rogue?

Indeed, there is several instances of his trans tier abilities. He took on and nearly decimated the combine might of characters from X-Men, New Avengers, Dr Strange, Fanatastic Four, and more during the time Emma was trying to restore his memories. He beat Molecule Man, Terrax, and Hulk rather easy with his powers. He also again decimated New Avengers, Dark Avengers, Asgard, Odin Force Thor, Norn Stone Loki, and Dr Doom in Siege.

He is simply Trans tier by accomplishments of his full power.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Rogue?

That's why I said equalling or exceeding depending on your view. Implying Rogue was there on the other side.

Originally posted by CadenceV2
Indeed, there is several instances of his trans tier abilities. He took on and nearly decimated the combine might of characters from X-Men, New Avengers, Dr Strange, Fanatastic Four, and more during the time Emma was trying to restore his memories. He beat Molecule Man, Terrax, and Hulk rather easy with his powers. He also again decimated New Avengers, Dark Avengers, Asgard, Odin Force Thor, Norn Stone Loki, and Dr Doom in Siege.

He is simply Trans tier by accomplishments of his full power.

The battle versus 'X-Men, New Avengers, Dr Strange, Fanatastic Four, and more'

Was essentially him versus a bunch of weaker people and Strange holding up a shield so that Emma could help him.

Terrax is shit.

Savage Hulk is shit.

Bendis Asgard is just a collection of castles.

It wasn't Odin Force Thor as he used the last of the Odinforce to fix Mjolnir (JMS on cocaine) and Thor killed him.

Loki purposely wanted to die (read his siege tie-in where he makes sure his soul goes to mephisto's realm and not asgard and plans to die).

Dr.Doom is shit.

Dark Avengers were shit and when did he fight them.

New Avengers are shit.

The only one incident here that speaks to 'trans tier abilities' is his fight with a Molecule man whose capabilities we don't know.

@LoM: I don't think it's advisable to argue with Bran when it comes to Strange(classic or current). That guy is like the Strange-fanboys' e-kryptonite.

Originally posted by krisblaze
It wasn't Odin Force Thor as he used the last of the Odinforce to fix Mjolnir (JMS on cocaine) and Thor killed him.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Remender retconned that. The Sentry was constantly rezzing from single atoms during his time in the Sun.

Would you call it a retcon?

I kind of always assumed that he would come back/could heal if he wanted.

But he was down so long I just chalked it up as a kill.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Would you call it a retcon?

I kind of always assumed that he would come back/could heal if he wanted.

But he was down so long I just chalked it up as a kill.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Yep. Him constantly reforming after getting vaped again and again in the Sun doesn't really count as a "kill" in the classic sort of way. Especially when one considers that the Apoc Twins found him in that self-regenerating state before retrofitting his Void-less self with the Death Seed.

He was out before Thor tossed him into the sun though?

Was he conscious as Thor gently robed him in his cape and genderly carried his lean and muscular frame to the sun?

Seems a bit gay.

Originally posted by krisblaze
He was out before Thor tossed him into the sun though?

Was he conscious as Thor gently robed him in his cape and genderly carried his lean and muscular frame to the sun?

Seems a bit gay.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
As per Starlin, Abstracts>>>Celestials...

Originally posted by Epicurus
Yes, but it doesn't matter because apparently according to Remender he regenned from a single atom soon afterwards. And the cycle continued repeatedly for a long time before the Apoc Twins brought him back into the game.

Yes, but I felt that it didn't really state whether he was killed and came back or simply never died in the first place.

If he never died then he shouldn't have been able to leave the Void in the white hot room.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Which of these are incidents of 'trans tier abilities' ?

The battle versus 'X-Men, New Avengers, Dr Strange, Fanatastic Four, and more'

Was essentially him versus a bunch of weaker people and Strange holding up a shield so that Emma could help him.

Terrax is shit.

Savage Hulk is shit.

Bendis Asgard is just a collection of castles.

It wasn't Odin Force Thor as he used the last of the Odinforce to fix Mjolnir (JMS on cocaine) and Thor killed him.

Loki purposely wanted to die (read his siege tie-in where he makes sure his soul goes to mephisto's realm and not asgard and plans to die).

Dr.Doom is shit.

Dark Avengers were shit and when did he fight them.

New Avengers are shit.

The only one incident here that speaks to 'trans tier abilities' is his fight with a Molecule man whose capabilities we don't know.

Taking on entire teams that can and have fought low heralds to high heralds is not a brush off feat. Sentry using his Void powers decimated the team(s).

Terrax is still the same high herald who gave classic Surfer hell, and busts planets on panel with a single blow of his Cosmic Axe. nothing sh!t about him IMO. he jobs alot I suppose, but he is the same Herald who gave Surfer Hell and match Morg when he was top herald back in the day.

Savage Hulk is pretty decent actually with his high showings.

Asgardians are asgardians. Tons of low meta beings.

Ah yes, this is correct. He fought his grandfather or something, and broke the hammer. So normal Thor then. Also Thor did not kill him, Sentry asked Thor to. Basically Sentry tried to do the right thing and let Thor beat him. Surrender due to plot is not the same as beating him.

I did not read that tie in. I do remember in the comics where Loki and Hellstrom were fighting Nightmare, Kid Loki made comments how he really did try to save Asgard and died giving his all. That he was trying to start anew. Would that mean he let Sentry beat him? I think there is more to it than Loki wanted to lose and did not try at all.

Dr. Doom is... shit? Wait what? Same Doom with Dr. Strange level magic and can own the entire Mighty Avenger team with said Magic? No... no....no shit at all.....

Dark Avengers suffer the first casualties with Ares ripped in two. I am pretty sure when he one shotted everyone with a opening attack the DA members were hit by it too.

New Avengers are shit now? Well the team at that time maybe. Still had everyone like Iron man, Cap America, ect. All those characters who fought in the Infinity Wars 🙂 Either way the fact the New Avengers, Loki, Thor, Asgardians, Dark Avengers, and all of it in Dr. Dooms back yard is pretty hardcore IMO.

So I rate him trans. You may disagree it seems, thats fine.

Originally posted by CadenceV2
Taking on entire teams that can and have fought low heralds to high heralds is not a brush off feat. Sentry using his Void powers decimated the team(s).

Originally posted by CadenceV2
Terrax is still the same high herald who gave classic Surfer hell, and busts planets on panel with a single blow of his Cosmic Axe. nothing sh!t about him IMO. he jobs alot I suppose, but he is the same Herald who gave Surfer Hell and match Morg when he was top herald back in the day.

He also destroyed a very minor planet where they only had a few tents and a minor village/settlement. And you can still be a low herald and take apart a small planet. Especially when that's literally your only high feat in 20 years (after being shit on by gamora, lesser ravenous' soldiers, etc)

Originally posted by CadenceV2
Savage Hulk is pretty decent actually with his high showings.

Originally posted by CadenceV2
Asgardians are asgardians. Tons of low meta beings.

Originally posted by CadenceV2
Dr. Doom is... shit? Wait what? Same Doom with Dr. Strange level magic and can own the entire Mighty Avenger team with said Magic? No... no....no shit at all.

Dr.Doom doesn't have non-shit Strange magic. And this magic still did nothing to stop Thor from taking him apart. So no, bullrushing a Doom that was fighting shit avengers is not a feat that would push him from high herald into trans.

Originally posted by CadenceV2
Dark Avengers suffer the first casualties with Ares ripped in two. I am pretty sure when he one shotted everyone with a opening attack the DA members were hit by it too.

Daken, in example, were taken out by Thor.
Iron Patriot was taken out by Maria Hill first and then Cap later on.
Bullseye was not taken out.
Captain Marvel wasn't even there...

Originally posted by CadenceV2
New Avengers are shit now? Well the team at that time maybe. Still had everyone like Iron man, Cap America, ect. All those characters who fought in the Infinity Wars 🙂 Either way the fact the New Avengers, Loki, Thor, Asgardians, Dark Avengers, and all of it in Dr. Dooms back yard is pretty hardcore IMO.

Sure, you can think it's hardcore.

You have no grounds for this putting him in Trans.

@Cadence, it's starting to look like I'm very upset and wildly lowballing here 😛

I'm saying that these things are bad when you're trying to push someone from high herald to trans. The avengers, doom and Hulk are by no means shit. They're just not feats that would catapult someone from high herald to trans. Especially when wins against say the Hulk and Terrax are what landed him in high herald to begin with 🙂