Originally posted by juggermanHow can they be peers when Hercules can fight her to a stand still while holding back a fair amount?
he holds back against most foes. That's not a knock against her. I'm not saying she would beat Herc 10/10 but they are constantly displayed as peers
I mean that fact alone means that he can turn up the juice and probably decimate or beat her soundly if he wanted to depending on which extremes you want to go to.
Originally posted by Newjak
How can they be peers when Hercules can fight her to a stand still while holding back a fair amount?I mean that fact alone means that he can turn up the juice and probably decimate or beat her soundly if he wanted to depending on which extremes you want to go to.
Iirc she had he beat and plot saves him. It's a comon theme in those shows.
It's the same as Superman/Wonder Woman imo. There have been times when either one of them was going all out and the other stalemated them while trying not to serious harm the other. Happens all the time.
Besides Xena got more skilled as the show went on. You can't hold her to her earliest showings.
Originally posted by juggermanThat is a fair point she did get more skilled but like I said most of her big wins were all because of plot. As in her Chakrum all of sudden gained the power to slay gods. The gods were getting weaker. The shows throughout their entire runs were pretty inconsistent with portrayals for the characters and their abilities.
Iirc she had he beat and plot saves him. It's a comon theme in those shows.It's the same as Superman/Wonder Woman imo. There have been times when either one of them was going all out and the other stalemated them while trying not to serious harm the other. Happens all the time.
Besides Xena got more skilled as the show went on. You can't hold her to her earliest showings.
I still wouldn't put Xena above someone like Black Widow. I think the Cap fight will end largely the same way the Black Widow/Winter Soldier fight did with Xena stalling some but eventually Cap is going to be too much for her.
Originally posted by Newjak
That is a fair point she did get more skilled but like I said most of her big wins were all because of plot. As in her Chakrum all of sudden gained the power to slay gods. The gods were getting weaker. The shows throughout their entire runs were pretty inconsistent with portrayals for the characters and their abilities.I still wouldn't put Xena above someone like Black Widow. I think the Cap fight will end largely the same way the Black Widow/Winter Soldier fight did with Xena stalling some but eventually Cap is going to be too much for her.
Yeah those shows were riddled with PIS/CIS. Now that I really think about it I think Xena wouldn't beat the Captain. He would have to work harder than normal but yeah he'd "Batroc" her unless she got lucky with her Chakrum.
Originally posted by juggermanMy thoughts exactly. Cap can't take her likely but overall he should be too overwhelming for her.
Yeah those shows were riddled with PIS/CIS. Now that I really think about it I think Xena wouldn't beat the Captain. He would have to work harder than normal but yeah he'd "Batroc" her unless she got lucky with her Chakrum.
Stronger, faster, just as agile and still an incredibly skilled fighter in his won right.
Originally posted by Newjak
This was after her weapon became their Kryptonite and they were shown to be getting weaker. Before that anytime she would try to fight Ares he would beat her. Soundly most of the time.
No she would often hold her own if not beat Ares but he holds back cuz he has a thing for her. He's admitted this
Actually Xena beaten Ares more than a few times when he did not hold back. One instance she was insane from a curse by the furies. She also beaten Callisto as a god several times and Callisto never holds back. She also easily beaten Hercules on he first fight, but he was saved by his friends.
Also she still has shown a greater knowledge as well feat for feat on par with Movie Caps own. Heck she rivals Comic Batman in feats. Superior Agility for sure as the link imposter shows.
So I do not think her wins are PIS at all. Some do have CIS but overall even those feats are represented as her tactical genius.
Anyway I think saying her wins are all PIS/CIS is flat out wrong. This woman has super human stats, and the furies believe she was possibly a Demi god as a daughter of Ares. She also has skill that allowed her to kill with pressure points, use chakra or spirit energy attacks, and shown to be so skilled that she trained several top of the line assassins in a unique way of killing.
So there is no need to low ball her by saying PIS/CIS wins is all she has.
Also in her first appearance she fought only Hercules and beaten him. In her first episode she fights a well establish warlord and ex boyfriend that Xena still had feelings for. They fought in a insane impossible battle of balance on people's heads!
Originally posted by CadenceV2✅ Xena wins.
Actually Xena beaten Ares more than a few times when he did not hold back. One instance she was insane from a curse by the furies. She also beaten Callisto as a god several times and Callisto never holds back. She also easily beaten Hercules on he first fight, but he was saved by his friends.Also she still has shown a greater knowledge as well feat for feat on par with Movie Caps own. Heck she rivals Comic Batman in feats. Superior Agility for sure as the link imposter shows.
So I do not think her wins are PIS at all. Some do have CIS but overall even those feats are represented as her tactical genius.
Anyway I think saying her wins are all PIS/CIS is flat out wrong. This woman has super human stats, and the furies believe she was possibly a Demi god as a daughter of Ares. She also has skill that allowed her to kill with pressure points, use chakra or spirit energy attacks, and shown to be so skilled that she trained several top of the line assassins in a unique way of killing.
So there is no need to low ball her by saying PIS/CIS wins is all she has.
Also in her first appearance she fought only Hercules and beaten him. In her first episode she fights a well establish warlord and ex boyfriend that Xena still had feelings for. They fought in a insane impossible battle of balance on people's heads!