Originally posted by Kazenji
Xena winning....not sure if people are serious or ****ing stupid.
Im not sure why its impossible. This Respect thread here alone is mostly her fights and feats of Seasons 1-3, and not including the more cool feats of 4-6.
http://www.comicvine.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/xena-warrior-princess-respect-thread-1579313/
She is on par with comic characters in every way.
Originally posted by CadenceV2It's PIS/CIS because of how over the place character's abilities and skills are portrayed in that world.
Actually Xena beaten Ares more than a few times when he did not hold back. One instance she was insane from a curse by the furies. She also beaten Callisto as a god several times and Callisto never holds back. She also easily beaten Hercules on he first fight, but he was saved by his friends.Also she still has shown a greater knowledge as well feat for feat on par with Movie Caps own. Heck she rivals Comic Batman in feats. Superior Agility for sure as the link imposter shows.
So I do not think her wins are PIS at all. Some do have CIS but overall even those feats are represented as her tactical genius.
Anyway I think saying her wins are all PIS/CIS is flat out wrong. This woman has super human stats, and the furies believe she was possibly a Demi god as a daughter of Ares. She also has skill that allowed her to kill with pressure points, use chakra or spirit energy attacks, and shown to be so skilled that she trained several top of the line assassins in a unique way of killing.
So there is no need to low ball her by saying PIS/CIS wins is all she has.
Also in her first appearance she fought only Hercules and beaten him. In her first episode she fights a well establish warlord and ex boyfriend that Xena still had feelings for. They fought in a insane impossible battle of balance on people's heads!
Hercules himself has gone from practically holding up a mountain to barely able to match a Centaur in strength and Ares as sometimes matched Hercules in strength. It's also been stated multiple times Hercules holds back. He also beat Xena after he got a sword back in his hand.
And comic Batman has fought way stronger people than Xena ever has. And has better feats. I think there is a feat of showing Batman repping 300 pounds on the bench press for casual reps.
They did fight on people's heads that is more of a feat for the people though as their necks were strong enough to support the weight.
She was only ever hinted and not confirmed to be a demi god. Other than that most of her agility/strength feats are in line with what a normal human can do.
Like I said I would put her in line with Black Widow.
Originally posted by CadenceV2We already kind of saw how that fight goes though with the Winter Soldier. Black Widow was able to stall for a little bit but ultimately she was just so over matched it didn't matter.
Black Widow is pretty fair, however IMO Black Widow can beat Steve as fa movie feats and yea is concerned.
Let's not forget that Cap was able to straight up beat the Winter Soldier twice in combat.
Originally posted by Silent Master
That is kind of odd, seeing as not only does Cap have better feats in general, but they both fought WS and Cap did far better.
No different than say ABC logic. Jhonny Cage beaten Goro, Goro beaten Kung Lao, do I expect Jhonny Cage to beat Kung Lao in a fight? Hell no, Cage could not even get that far on his own like Kung Lao had. While I do not if you understand the Mortal Kombat reference, the point is character A Beats B while C could not does not mean Character C loses to A. Let's see Steve face a geared out BW and see who wins. By te ya she is every bit on his level with her survival of Hulk, taking out train fodder easy, precorming as well as Cap in Avengers, and dealing with Hawkeye. She has many feats herself and did more than Cap done in Avengers sadly.
She should be on Caps level by feats. A single lost due to plot is not that much proof.
And Cap mainly used either himself or his shield. Widow had her guns, Widow Bites, Chitauri blasters, etc... Put them in the same situations, and Cap comes out looking better every single time. And Widow wouldn't survive some of the fights Cap was in. Like against Loki, Red Skull, Winter Soldier, etc...
Your logic is kinda wonky bro.
Originally posted by CadenceV2Didn't Bruce Campbell hang with her?
I'm not sure what average humans ever hanged with her. Almost every challenge she fights have insane skill or training background. Xena still beats them. Name one average human who beat her in battle.Also the eats in the videos above are very meta human. Batman like. Many times Xena shown meta human strength, speed, and agility that defies real life physics.
Anyone says otherwise is ignoring the plain to see feats in the videos above.
Originally posted by Mindset
Didn't Bruce Campbell hang with her?
The King of Thieves? no he gets whooped by her and Gabriel with one move every time they had a moment. More embarrassing is the fact Cambell's character could not out do Xena half the time in stealing :/ Oh well.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Actually, that isn't even close to true; All BW did against the Hulk was run away, how exactly you're using that as a superior HTH feat is beyond me. that and Cap out-performed her against every class of enemy they faced.
I think you half @$$ read my post. I said nothing of H2H at all. I said she did a good job surviving a attack from Hulk. Reminded very much of the Abomination actor when he was just pumped with Super Soldier Serum fighting Hulk. BW is beyond peak human as per movie characters IMO.
But it is easier to twists ones words than to make a legit argument 🙂
Black Widow reminded you of SS Blonsky fighting Hulk? SS Blonsky who was zipping around at 30mph or more? Perfectly balancing on a stariwell bannister and maintaining those speeds running up it? Etc...?
And seriously, all she did was run away, get hurt, and not die. She didn't even try to fight back because she knew it was pointless.
As for "Geared Out" Widow. That means 1, possibly 2 Glocks. And her Widow Stingers which are melee range only. She has to jab you with them for them to work. That's nowhere near enough to help her win against Cap. Watch how Bucky and all his guys had fully automatic weapons and explosives and still didn't take him down.