Originally posted by FrothByte
Do we have proof of his supposedly super healing capabilities?
Only in a deleted scene where James stabs him. Also it's worth noting he was fused into solid concrete and showed no signs of damage or even discomfort even after he broke out. So some assume his rapid healing was the cause of no visable damage
I already pointed it out. But I'll do it again.
The proof is that he was molecularly fused with a large amount of concrete due to Shadowcat phasing him into the ground. The proof that things she phases are fused with whatever they're being phased through if she lets go of them is in X2 when a girl who is clearly Shadowcat phases through the floor in the mansion and her blanket is stuck in the ceiling because she didn't take it with her. Also that's just how her powers work.
After she phased him, he was completely unharmed when he broke out. So either he is A)So durable that he can completely ignore having his molecules fused with foreign substances that should for all intents and purposes be janked up in his body.
Or B)He just heals so fast that the moment he broke out, he healed. In the deleted scenes Wolverine stabbed him in the arm. There wasn't even any blood, and Cain didn't seem to register any pain. And as soon as the claws were out of his arm, there was no damage.
So it seems to be one or the other. Hell maybe it's both. Also as mentioned he doesn't even seem to register pain so he'd more than likely keep fighting even if the daggers did any damage.
Originally posted by KingD19
The proof that things she phases are fused with whatever they're being phased through if she lets go of them is in X2 when a girl who is clearly Shadowcat phases through the floor in the mansion and her blanket is stuck in the ceiling because she didn't take it with her. Also that's just how her powers work.
Wait can you post a clip of this? I honestly don't remember anything going with her when she did it in X-2. In fact I think that was from the tv show "X-Men Evolution" when she phased thru her celing and he parents thought she was sleep walking until they saw her blanket and pillow in the celing
No, that's not proof of anything. We don't know the exact mechanics of how her phasing works. For all you know, when she phased Juggs through the floor and left him there the molecules of the concrete formed AROUND Juggs and didn't exactly form INSIDE him. Proof? Because if what you say is true that the concrete formed inside Juggs and that his healing pushed them out, then there should have been multiple cracks on the concrete from him pushing out those molecules.
A better explanation would be that the concrete simply formed around him. At best, your theory is about as good as mine: Just theories. Still no concrete proof of his super healing.
That is exactly how her phasing works. Look at WWH when she phases him into concrete and when he breaks out he's got chunks of stone sticking out of his arms. Most people in the movies powers work nearly the same as the comics with exceptions like Magneto because having all of his powers would make him unbeatable in the movie verse.
Originally posted by KingD19The problem is that doesn't prove her powers cause things to become molecularly fused with the substance.
It happened in Evolution you're right. I just looked at the scene and she phases through the bed, runs through a soldier and through the wall. I thought she took her blanket with her.
The only time we've ever seen anything break out from her phasing something into something else is Juggernaut and it appeared the concrete simply was phased around him.
Originally posted by KingD19Cain didn't have any pieces in him and comic book material aren't the movies.
That is exactly how her phasing works. Look at WWH when she phases him into concrete and when he breaks out he's got chunks of stone sticking out of his arms. Most people in the movies powers work nearly the same as the comics with exceptions like Magneto because having all of his powers would make him unbeatable in the movie verse.
Originally posted by Newjak
I think it hurts Cain more than helps. He get knocked out from a lightning bolt from storm.Loki should be able to reproduce that level of power.
I tend to agree that it hurts more. While it's the only definitive proof of his uber healing, Storm KOing him sucks balls.
I'm not convinced Loki could reporduce that on his own.
Originally posted by Time ImmemorialYeah without weapons Loki really doesn't pack an offensive punch. He still has his defensive spells such as the illusions and he is still pretty durable but that can only take you so far.
Well if Storm's lighting Ko'd him, then Gungir will put him down. Without weapons though, Loki might be toast.
Originally posted by Time ImmemorialWell the Hulk from Avengers has much better feats then movie Juggs so I don't know if he will be able to put the hurting on Loki in quite the same manner.
Juggs could reproduce that pounding on Loki that Hulk did. If he got in there and started pounding on him, don't know how long Loki could take that punishment before KO.
I actually think of movie feats that Loki has enough strength to keep up with Cain in H2H. Notice I said keep up not beat. I don't think Loki is strong enough to physically put Cain down nor is he as strong as Cain but I definitely do not think Cain will do to Loki what Hulk did to Loki.