Originally posted by Mr.SunKing
[b]Superman's useless when it comes down to Shaman Nate, existing as pure thought while still having access to your abilities is something Clark has no answer to. Nate's also a mutliversal telepath. [/B]
Yeah, Nate's upper potential is clearly the highest. What exactly did he do to put him over the top on this fight, though? I'm not doubting it, necessarily, I just don't recall any specific feat that is an insta-win.
Originally posted by Glorificus
Nate Grey could solo. The guy doesn't even need a physical body. He can just mind rape them at his leisure.
Can he, though? We're talking about one of the best telepaths in comics in J'onn. He doesn't need to be as powerful as Nate; just defend against him.
Originally posted by "Id"
The mutie twins are too much for the dynamic Alien duo.[/b] Its far to easy to stack their abilities. [/B]
I agree with this at least, even though I might feel that they don't win.
That being said Superman didn't have any problems getting through Manchester Black's shields at the end of 'ending battle'. He doesn't have all the feats to match Nate, but the raw power of his TK shields should at least be around their tier.
I also don't see what prevents MM from simply getting through them.
Originally posted by Digi
Yeah, Nate's upper potential is clearly the highest. What exactly did he do to put him over the top on this fight, though? I'm not doubting it, necessarily, I just don't recall any specific feat that is an insta-win.Can he, though? We're talking about one of the best telepaths in comics in J'onn. He doesn't need to be as powerful as Nate; just defend against him.
Originally posted by Mr.SunKing
[b]Throw in Nate's other abilities such as time manipulation, and even minor reality warping then the situation becomes a bit more difficult/tricky. [/B]
If Superman chose to accelerate in under a second to beyond c he would first ,in achieving c, already destroy all of team one with gluonic plasma traveling at well to be honest ludicrous speed with no need for MM who would also likely be vaporized. Even forgetting this first model I have presented and "time manipulation" factored in with Nate (bs planck scale non sense pseudo science) who has with high meta reflexes at best Clark would in fact manipulate "time" in this battle before even Nate can sense or perceive whats happening. Never once in all Nates time and dimension hopping has it ever been displayed he perceived or moved through reality in the same way as Superman or Flash. Thanos was a nice flag that was planted to show Nate and Hulk in direct relation for people to draw their own conclusions.