Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman has counter for time manipulation/reality manipulation though. And even Shaman Nate was capable of being KOED with punches.
Originally posted by Decimus
If Superman chose to accelerate in under a second to beyond c he would first ,in achieving c, already destroy all of team one with gluonic plasma traveling at well to be honest ludicrous speed with no need for MM who would also likely be vaporized. Even forgetting this first model I have presented and "time manipulation" factored in with Nate (bs planck scale non sense pseudo science) who has with high meta reflexes at best Clark would in fact manipulate "time" in this battle before even Nate can sense or perceive whats happening. Never once in all Nates time and dimension hopping has it ever been displayed he perceived or moved through reality in the same way as Superman or Flash. Thanos was a nice flag that was planted to show Nate and Hulk in direct relation for people to draw their own conclusions.
Originally posted by Mr.SunKing
[b]How can he destroy something he can't touch?
Superman literally has no way to counter Nate, while Nate virtually has the a plethora of ways to harm clark [/B]
Superman and Manhunter can harm intangible beings.
There are more people in the herald category who have measures against intangibility than people who don't.
That doesn't determine the fight in any way, but you're wasting your time trying to build it up as some catch-all defense.
Originally posted by krisblaze
Superman and Manhunter can harm intangible beings.There are more people in the herald category who have measures against intangibility than people who don't.
That doesn't determine the fight in any way, but you're wasting your time trying to build it up as some catch-all defense.
Beings of that type, is just an arbitrary line in the sand.
Using that line of reasoning anybody can claim that unless Character A has fought someone to the exact specifications of Character B, then they can't harm them.
There's no reason why Superman can't just sing the pair of them to death then, if you want to go down that route...
Originally posted by krisblaze
Beings of that type, is just an arbitrary line in the sand.Using that line of reasoning anybody can claim that unless Character A has fought someone to the exact specifications of Character B, then they can't harm them.
There's no reason why Superman can't just sing the pair of them to death then, if you want to go down that route...
Originally posted by Mr.SunKing
[b]No, the dark Avengers tried to attack him physically, and all of their physical attacks phased right through Nate he even commented that the should somebody to use those "abilities on, sine they were useless against him. Physically attacks literally meant nothing to him. [/B]
Originally posted by Mr.SunKing
[b]not necessarily
Reason I say this is because as being of pure psionic energy. he displayed that physical attacks mean nothing to him. In fact to trick the avengers he purposely destroyed his own body to trick them, later possessing Norman Osborn, it's essentially like an astral body that can interact with the physical plane (Nate was the first psionic ever to achieve this in the MU). It's not as simply as just being intangible like kitty pride, but literally there is no matter or atoms in his body. Most intagibles I would same include some sort of shifting atoms, nate does not. And if you can show me scans of Supes, and Manhunter harming intangible beings of this type that will be very much appreciated. Also he's caable of draining the energy of other beings, (and add it to his own) leaving them as non-functioning vegetables, like empty-husk. It's more or less like a speed-steal for brain activity
(except Ares because as war he's personified on very lane of existence (some divinity hax)
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Originally posted by Mr.SunKing
[b]Nate specifically showed that physical attacks have no effect on him, last time I checked a majority of Supes abilities leaves him constrained to physical attacks. and regarding that those "specifications" are huge factor, I don't see why it should be neglected. It's not like Nate went momentarily intangible. It's a state that his body was naturally in due to his psionic evolution. [/B]
Originally posted by abhilegend
Well Dark Avengers aren't Superman.
And Norman Osborn's mind was too powerful for him to control, isn't it?
Superman has plenty of experience fighting psychic beings though. And that Nate was weaksauce to the point he couldn't even beat Ares.
For one they had to drain Nate, both mimic and Omega teamed up so they cold even have a chance to take him down. That's why he lost to Osborne ( still PIS), secondly how was he weaksauce towards Ares? He played them to get into take possession of Osborn'es body. Furthermore Ares was only able to touch Nate due to is rather ambiguous, yet divine status, as being "war personified".
Still haven't give me any reason to suggest Supes could do anything to Shaman Nate
Originally posted by Mr.SunKing
[b]For one they had to drain Nate, both mimic and Omega teamed up so they cold even have a chance to take him down. That's why he lost to Osborne ( still PIS), secondly how was he weaksauce towards Ares? He played them to get into take possession of Osborn'es body. Furthermore Ares was only able to touch Nate due to is rather ambiguous, yet divine status, as being "war personified".Still haven't give me any reason to suggest Supes could do anything to Shaman Nate
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We haven't given you a reason?
We just mentioned Superman hitting intangible beings, psionic beings and his ability to hurt metaphysical creatures.
And his phucking string-theory attack (which Morrison's building on in multiversity) could hit anything!
You also can't whine about PIS in the same story that's given him the untouchable feat...
Originally posted by krisblaze
We haven't given you a reason?We just mentioned Superman hitting intangible beings, psionic beings and his ability to hurt metaphysical creatures.
And his phucking string-theory attack (which Morrison's building on in multiversity) could hit anything!
You also can't whine about PIS in the same story that's given him the untouchable feat...
Plus it's already been shown that Nate can reform from pure consciousness, he destroyed his own body to con the D.A
Originally posted by Mr.SunKing
[b]No ones whining bruh, ease up
And I simply asked for a scan of Supes affecting beings VERY similar to late, are you gonna post them or nah? And being intangible does not necessarily translate to being composed of pure energy. Exhibit A Kitty Pryde, The flash ect.Plus it's already been shown that Nate can reform from pure consciousness, he destroyed his own body to con the D.A
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I thought Abhi already posted them?
Anyways, we already have Superman affecting energy beings and considering that it's string theory, it can go as low as the 1st dimension. Doesn't matter what kind of energy Nate is, he'll be hit.
Body being destroyed counts as a win.
Originally posted by Mr.SunKing
[b]No ones whining bruh, ease up
And I simply asked for a scan of Supes affecting beings VERY similar to late, are you gonna post them or nah? And being intangible does not necessarily translate to being composed of pure energy. Exhibit A Kitty Pryde, The flash ect.Plus it's already been shown that Nate can reform from pure consciousness, he destroyed his own body to con the D.A
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That's how he can beat pure psionic beings.
Ah yes, when he "sang" Darkseid out of existence, that's a pretty uber showing no doubt. But there's still the other areas to cover, such as Nate's energy absorption, he's created miniature stars. Considering that Nate is an immensely more powerful telepath than Manchester black, he' has a plethora of other tricks. Jonn is no slouch either. But I still give summer bros a slight edge, Nate has simulated super strength, as well as enhanced others (such as when he fought hulk and Thanos as pre-shaman). Also I believe out of all the telepaths in the battle, he's the most skilled/powerful (multiversal scale).
