Originally posted by Q99
I tend to speak up with Krayt... but then again, I do so in other cases as well.I'm noticing a trend that people tend to overlook that I make similar arguments on people from lots of eras, and act like I do it only in one. 'Not judging, just observing,' 😉
Speaking up for Krayt isn't a problem, brohan. It's just funny how numbers tend to be of negligible import when Krayt or another Legacy involved. Like, Krayt can moonwalk through Force users of any number, but a Sith Lord who is stronger, smarter, more powerful, more skilled, more knowledgeable, more successful, more important, and just plain ol' better than Krayt in all ways including (I'm told) sexual technique and experience {I am referring, of course, to Palpatine, from whose shadow Krayt shall never escape does this bother you?} is pushed to the brink by two. Your approach is kinda goofy, that's all.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Speaking up for Krayt isn't a problem, brohan. It's just funny how numbers tend to be of negligible import when Krayt or another Legacy involved. Like, Krayt can moonwalk through Force users of any number, but a Sith Lord who is stronger, smarter, more powerful, more skilled, more knowledgeable, more successful, more important, and just plain ol' better than Krayt in all ways including (I'm told) sexual technique and experience {I am referring, of course, to Palpatine, from whose shadow Krayt shall never escape does this bother you?} is pushed to the brink by two. Your approach is kinda goofy, that's all.
TBF, Maul and Savage are twice as dangerous as this team with half the numbers.
Originally posted by appletonia
I was referring to this Q.
Ah yes, 'the' thread where 'we' are discussing 'this'. How very specific and helpful. Considering this is the thread on the front page where we're discussing Krayt and numbers, I'm not sure what you're talking about.
The Tempest
Speaking up for Krayt isn't a problem, brohan. It's just funny how numbers tend to be of negligible import when Krayt or another Legacy involved.
Except, as mentioned, I am also quite consistent on having the quality of said numbers also matter, as do how many numbers. Numbers always factor in, but how much depends on both sides.
There are people, high sith and such, against who one or two minor people don't add much because they have *demonstrably* killed even master level people really really fast. Krayt has had two masters come at his back and kill them without looking, so, yea, you need more than two random masters to serve as a proper aid.
And then I gave you, what, four examples of other sith who could do that in the thread? So it's not like this is a legacy only thing. Like I said, you're only complaining about it when it crossover over Legacy, not when I do it for every era, like I do.
Also this is largely dealing with the top legacy people, Krayt and Cade and Wyyrlok are not average, they're the best of their time, and what best-of-their-time do not require more numbers to put down than normal? Put Wolf Sazen or Treis Sinde against two fighters like this, and the minor ones can't be cut down so fast and will certainly matter more.
One of the thing I do is explain my reasoning and when I say why I think a fight pans out a certain way, I often provide examples of similar fights where things did pan out that way in-universe. This is not stuff that applies to just any one era.
Originally posted by Nephthys
TBF, Maul and Savage are twice as dangerous as this team with half the numbers.
I disagree, Cay was only a bit behind his brother with a saber, and Ulic was a very very very good duelist. And Sylvar, as mentioned, is one of the few actually able to wound Exar.
Hm, though while this squad would give the bros a fight, the minor ones could at least contribute some when the gap isn't that bad, there is a point that the two weaker ones here just die too fast against a high sith lord. Maul and Opress are definitely a better challenge than just Sylvar and Cay (for one obvious thing, they have strong force as well while those two are saber-only), which this fight will rapidly be. I wouldn't say *twice* as dangerous but... one point five times as dangerous?
Originally posted by appletonia
Yeah but they still outnumber them 2 to 1. I'd say 4 nameless extremely high level Jedi Knights would probably be equal to Maul and Savage.
Two high level Jedi Knights. The other two aren't as impressive.
If you had, say, two Sylvars and two Cays, I'd say they'd have a very good chance of winning in sabers (though would be lacking in force, so that's a vulnerability, but in sabers only they'd have the edge).
Originally posted by Q99
Ah yes, 'the' thread where 'we' are discussing 'this'. How very specific and helpful. Considering this is the thread on the front page where we're discussing Krayt and numbers, I'm not sure what you're talking about.
Hehe you know exactly what I'm talking about. The thread where you posted the scan, is that more helpful?
Originally posted by Q99
Two high level Jedi Knights. The other two aren't as impressive.
It's heavily indicated that they were all extremely talented Jedi Knights. They were routinely hand picked for the most important missions, passed on to the most renowned masters for training, and the ones that turned to the darkside were some of Exar's top enforcers. Alltogether it paints a picture of them being very talented, high level Knights.
Originally posted by Q99
I disagree, Cay was only a bit behind his brother with a saber, and Ulic was a very very very good duelist. And Sylvar, as mentioned, is one of the few actually able to wound Exar.
Proof that Cay was near Ulic? Sylvar wounding apprentice Kun proves she's pretty powerful. But not Maul or Savage powerful or in their weight class.
Originally posted by appletonia
Hehe you know exactly what I'm talking about. The thread where you posted the scan, is that more helpful?
Actually, no, I post scans in lots of threads, and there's still no active thread matching your description, nor does 'I posted scans in it' say anything about what you're trying to say here.
Look, I take it that you don't actually have anything here on this bit? Just vaguely hinting at my arguments without anything solid?
I've provided arguments in this thread, this one right hear. Plenty of examples of what I think and my views. If you're trying to say I think something other than what I've said here, then, well, you're off, plain and simple.
Actually, I totally misspoke Nephthys. Sylvar and Cay alone probably aren't too far off from the duo if at all; add in Crado and Doneeta and this foursome are solidly above the duo.
It was extremely obviously that Crado was a shadow of his mate's skill, at best.
Of Vodo's students, it went Exar > Sylvar >> Crado.
And Doneeta simply hasn't shown that much with a blade, and my impression was *his* impression was that Sylvar was a good deal stronger than him.
People can be noteworthy and generally solid without being at a level where they're much use against a high level sith lord. Only two of these four are really renowned *duelists*.
NephthysProof that Cay was near Ulic?
When they dueled it was a fight.
Sylvar wounding apprentice Kun proves she's pretty powerful. But not Maul or Savage powerful or in their weight class.
The big difference being in force. The two from the Tales era are strong duelists, but they don't have Maul or Savage's strength in the force.
I'd say Sylvar's stronger than, say, Adi Galli, for example.
Originally posted by Q99
When they dueled it was a fight.
Ahsoka vs GG was a fight too. I don't think Ulic was going all out.
Originally posted by Q99
The big difference being in force. The two from the Tales era are strong duelists, but they don't have Maul or Savage's strength in the force.I'd say Sylvar's stronger than, say, Adi Galli, for example.
Hmm. I guess. With that feat of creating shockwaves heard for kilometers, its likely.
Originally posted by Q99
Actually, no, I post scans in lots of threads, and there's still no active thread matching your description, nor does 'I posted scans in it' say anything about what you're trying to say here.
You post the scan of Krayt's fight with the IKs in a lot of threads recently?
I might as well post the link if you're going to be so dishonest about the whole thing: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=14881460&highlight=userid%3A147436#post14881460
It was extremely obviously that Crado was a shadow of his mate's skill, at best.Of Vodo's students, it went Exar > Sylvar >> Crado.
The difference was certainly bigger between Exar and Sylvar than it was Sylvar and Crado, and I agree that Sylvar was clearly established to be superior to Crado, but that doesn't mean that she was completely out of his league.
People can be noteworthy and generally solid without being at a level where they're much use against a high level sith lord. Only two of these four are really renowned *duelists*.
Sure but I would maintain that the IKs were not on the level of any of the Jedi on team 2, and by extension that Krayt has not shown that he can completely tear through guys on this level, let alone an arguably inferior version when it comes to ligthsaber combat.