Exar Kun vs Darth Krayt

What's the difference between having no known boost and assuming that there was one, and having a single known boost and assuming there was an additional one?

Most of those high end feats aren't applicable to a duel.

But we still use them as an example of their power.

The truth is that nexuses and the like are such common commodities that even feats performed with such aids are still indicative of great power if they truly stand out in the grand scheme of things. Exar Kun regularly performs things on a scale that can affect thousands and you can't simply dismiss them by questioning their circumstances.

Edit - You can also question low end, combat applicable stuff in the same manner for the record.

Originally posted by appletonia
What's the difference between having no known boost and assuming that there was one, and having a single known boost and assuming there was an additional one?

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I'm not assuming anything; we know Kun performed his feat in a place specifically designed to provide aid (of a potentially considerable nature given what Luke's padawans were able to accomplish with a temple's assistance later on) to Force use. That's it; it's that simple.

Originally posted by appletonia
But we still use them as an example of their power.

That Kun is powerful isn't in question.

Originally posted by appletonia
The truth is that nexuses and the like are such common commodities that even feats performed with such aids are still indicative of great power if they truly stand out in the grand scheme of things.

What proof do you have of this?

Originally posted by appletonia
Exar Kun regularly performs things on a scale that can affect thousands and you can't simply dismiss them by questioning their circumstances.

"Regularly"?

Originally posted by appletonia
Edit - You can also question low end, combat applicable stuff in the same manner for the record.

With the presence of Force-aiding arcana, technology, location, and artifacts? Absolutely.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
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I'm not assuming anything; we know Kun performed his feat in a place specifically designed to provide aid (of a potentially considerable nature given what Luke's padawans were able to accomplish with a temple's assistance later on) to Force use. That's it; it's that simple.

And we see a reference to that after the Massassi had already started being drained, presumably to focus all of the energy from their sacrifice directly onto Exar Kun for the purpose of tearing his spirit away from his body (similarly, the group of Jedi focused all of their energy directly onto Dorsk 81 so that he could achieve the feat of moving an entire fleet). In both cases, the aid that the temple provides is in focusing large amounts of energy onto a small target; the power itself comes from the Massassi sacrifices, and a union of 30 Jedi. You are assuming an additional function that aided the draining of the Massassi, one that is never stated, and something that is of a completely different nature to what we know of how the temples operate.

What proof do you have of this?

Prep time is a luxury virtually anyone can have access to depending on the scenario. There are numerous events and battles that take place on worlds that are noted as being extremely powerful in the Force. Likewise, there are a large number of Force Users that have been known to possess powerful Force artifacts. Being able to affect thousands at once is still hardly the norm with the large presence of those things (relative to the source material). We have far more reason to attribute such feats to the power of the individual rather than the existence of such aids.

Just to clarify though, Krayt has a rather impressive feat of sheer scale himself (communicating with Sith across the Galaxy). My argument for Exar Kun is based on the fact that he can operate at a really large scale, but also is an absolutely incredible lightsaber technician, and has demonstrated a really large variety of attacks, some that are of more of the brutish variety, and others of the more mysterious.

Originally posted by appletonia
And we see a reference to that after the Massassi had already started being drained, presumably to focus all of the energy from their sacrifice directly onto Exar Kun for the purpose of tearing his spirit away from his body (similarly, the group of Jedi focused all of their energy directly onto Dorsk 81 so that he could achieve the feat of moving an entire fleet). In both cases, the aid that the temple provides is in focusing large amounts of energy onto a small target; the power itself comes from the Massassi sacrifices, and a union of 30 Jedi. You are assuming an additional function that aided the draining of the Massassi, one that is never stated, and something that is of a completely different nature to what we know of how the temples operate.

No, you are assuming that the Massassi's function only came into effect after Kun absorbed the collected energies of the mass sacrifice. I see no reason to believe that that considerable Force use would be somehow exempt from the temple's effects because reasons.

Originally posted by appletonia
Prep time is a luxury virtually anyone can have access to depending on the scenario. There are numerous events and battles that take place on worlds that are noted as being extremely powerful in the Force. Likewise, there are a large number of Force Users that have been known to possess powerful Force artifacts. Being able to affect thousands at once is still hardly the norm with the large presence of those things (relative to the source material). We have far more reason to attribute such feats to the power of the individual rather than the existence of such aids.

Not at all. The only thing that one has reason to believe is that the user is himself probably more powerful than the average Force user. That Kun is a prodigy is not in question. But the fact remains that such feats cannot be attributed to be the result of his natural gifts.

I'm afraid we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
No, you are assuming that the Massassi's function only came into effect after Kun absorbed the collected energies of the mass sacrifice. I see no reason to believe that that considerable Force use would be somehow exempt from the temple's effects because reasons.

The text only makes a mention of it after the Massassi had been in the process of being drained, and from what all the text states on it and what Dorsk 81 was able to achieve, the manner in which it worked was focusing a large amount of energy onto a very small target, not by helping the user spread their power across thousands of beings or any such large area. No additional function that would aid the drain feat is even implied.

Not at all. The only thing that one has reason to believe is that the user is himself probably more powerful than the average Force user. That Kun is a prodigy is not in question. But the fact remains that such feats cannot be attributed to be the result of his natural gifts.

What I mean is that he can do it at all is a reflection of his superior ability, not that it's a sole reflection of his ability.

His Massassi ritual and drain will have no edge against Krayt. I'm not sure why you keep bringing it up since Kun will not have any opportunity to prep against Krayt.

Krayt's draining and damaging of Abeloth is a superior feat in terms of combat to Kun's lack of showings regarding drain.

You might want to focus on combat feats instead