Thanos vs. V&V Despero

Originally posted by krisblaze
It would be a low showing though, because it would be him getting knocked out by the attack of someone who's weaker than him.

I wouldn't be so sure that his best HV could trump the damage Thanos did to Galactus in example.

This is something that i never understood tbh. Why is it a low showing for beings like Mogul, Darkseid or Despero being beaten by Superman. Superman has pushed himself often enough beyond his level, so it should be a very high showing for Supes and not a low showing for the others.

If you want the answer fot his, talk to phil about the stips and you will see. He knows Supermans feats better than me, look at his new Respect thread. 😉

Originally posted by krisblaze
Superman's heat-vision being consistently more powerful than Thanos' energy attacks?

Sure, I'll take that.

I said 'match showings', as in feat vs feat. Game for that?

Originally posted by krisblaze
It would be a low showing though, because it would be him getting knocked out by the attack of someone who's weaker than him.

You just said that you're sure Thor or Surfer could also matchThanos' best energy output in their best showings [implying that you agree HV could also], so why do you say that it's a low showing for Despero? Because that doesn't make sense, unless you randomly categorize the HV that took him down as average, and not high end.

I honestly hope he doesnt try and explain that. I'm out of aspirin.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Why did you add 'consistently' there? Superman doesn't use it to even close to its full output 90-95% of the time.

I said 'match showings', as in feat vs feat. Game for that?

*shrug* When does Thanos?

I added consistently because the other average showings are there to somewhat temper the highest ones.

Originally posted by Philosophía
I'm not sure I follow this line of logic.

You just said that you're sure Thor or Surfer could also matchThanos' best energy output in their best showings [implying that you agree HV could also], so why do you say that it's a low showing for Despero? Because that doesn't make sense, unless you randomly categorize the HV that took him down as average, and not high end.

I mean that they probably have one or two showings that are higher than Thanos' highest, because that's just the nature of the beast when they've had their own series during the 70s-90s.

Even if it has been consistently confirmed that Thor or Surfer are weaker than Thanos, you could still find feats that are more powerful than Thanos' strongest energy projection feat.

How often does Thanos fight someone more powerful than him?

Hell, how often does he throw down with someone 1v1?

Originally posted by krisblaze
*shrug* When does Thanos?

I added consistently because the other average showings are there to somewhat temper the highest ones.

I'm not going to lowball his highest with lower ones, if that's what you're thinking. I'm not searching for an average.

You post, I don't know - 10 feats? and I'll post 10 feats, and we'll address them. Maybe 4 posts each? And we'll see if heat vision's highest showings measures up to Thanos' highest showings.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Even if it has been consistently confirmed that Thor or Surfer are weaker than Thanos, you could still find feats that are more powerful than Thanos' strongest energy projection feat.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Where did I ask for Thanos' consistent showing? His Galactus blast isn't an average by any stretch, yet it's the most frequent one used in threads.

I'm not going to lowball his highest with lower ones, if that's what you're thinking. I'm not searching for an average.

You post, I don't know - 10 feats? and I'll post 10 feats, and we'll address them. Maybe 4 posts each? And we'll see if heat vision's highest showings measures up to Thanos' highest showings.

You should be looking for an average.

10 feats of what though? There are only 2-3 showings of Thanos blasting someone once.

I didn't bring up the Galactus showing as an average, I said that it was the highest feat that I could think of for Thanos. If Superman can match it, then he wins the highest showing prize. If he can't, then oh well..-. I have no interest in engaging DC's main character in a high-feat war because it's not one that anyone can win.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Yes, and why wouldn't the 'Despero one-shotting heat vision' be one of those, instead of a low showing for Despero?

I simply criticized the method of trying to pit Superman in a showing vs showing match against a character who is

a) A villain

b) Hasn't been the main character of a long-running series

c) Isn't a company bigwig like Superman/Thor/Surfer

But I DO think it's a low showing for Despero because it's so out of synch with what I've seen of his durability versus the offensive power of Superman's heat vision, and I've read the majority of Superman's solo stuff from the 80s through the early 00s.

I mean, I read it, I don't chop it up and snort it or commit to it a shrine or anything...so my view opinion of its abilities might be a bit different to yours 😛

Originally posted by krisblaze
You didn't ask for it, that's part of the problem with what you're trying to do.

You should be looking for an average.

Originally posted by krisblaze
I don't think I claimed it was a low showing for Despero.

Originally posted by krisblaze
But I DO think it's a low showing for Despero because it's so out of synch with what I've seen of his durability versus the offensive power of Superman's heat vision, and I've read the majority of Superman's solo stuff from the 80s through the early 00s.

I mean, I read it, I don't chop it up and snort it or commit to it a shrine or anything...so my view opinion of its abilities might be a bit different to yours 😛

Most of the time, he doesn't operate with it on that level because he doesn't need to. Also, different writers. But against opponents that he can [i.e. Darkseid, Imperiex Probes, Despero etc, among others] under extreme duress, he showed elevated levels, that compete and arguably surpass Thanos' best.

THANOS wins in a good fight. But, does it handily.

Originally posted by Philosophía
If you don't want to participate in the battlezone I initiated, there's no problem - but I'm not changing the stipulations, because I put them for a reason, pertaining to this thread.

Then we're fine. I want to show that Superman's heat vision showings are at least as good as Thanos' blast showing, so as to show that 'Despero got taken down by heat vision' doesn't automatically make it a low showing.

...ok, so we're not fine! [ 😂]

Most of the time, he doesn't operate with it on that level because he doesn't need to. Also, different writers. But against opponents that he can [i.e. Darkseid, Imperiex Probes, Despero etc, among others] under extreme duress, he showed elevated levels, that compete and arguably surpass Thanos' best.

Thanos stomps.

Originally posted by krisblaze
You didn't ask for it, that's part of the problem with what you're trying to do.

You should be looking for an average.

10 feats of what though? There are only 2-3 showings of Thanos blasting someone once.

I didn't bring up the Galactus showing as an average, I said that it was the highest feat that I could think of for Thanos. If Superman can match it, then he wins the highest showing prize. If he can't, then oh well..-. I have no interest in engaging DC's main character in a high-feat war because it's not one that anyone can win.

I don't think I claimed it was a low showing for Despero.

I simply criticized the method of trying to pit Superman in a showing vs showing match against a character who is

a) A villain

b) Hasn't been the main character of a long-running series

c) Isn't a company bigwig like Superman/Thor/Surfer

But I DO think it's a low showing for Despero because it's so out of synch with what I've seen of his durability versus the offensive power of Superman's heat vision, and I've read the majority of Superman's solo stuff from the 80s through the early 00s.

I mean, I read it, I don't chop it up and snort it or commit to it a shrine or anything...so my view opinion of its abilities might be a bit different to yours 😛

Originally posted by h1a8
Thanos has an advantage that makes him sometimes appear more powerful. Thanos is a villain that kills while Superman is a hero that doesn't kill.
So of course Superman isn't going to use his highest hv on someone the high majority of the time. Thanos often has no qualms about killing and is more willing to release fully on a fool. This is not a fair comparison in judging who has the more powerful energy output. So talking of averages is irrelevant since context plays a huge role.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We have seen Superman go all out power wise against WW. His attacks didn't even put someone weaker than him down and he was amped. Evidence.

You can't be serious.

Provide the context and then try again.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
You can't be serious.

Provide the context and then try again.

Originally posted by quanchi112
She took his blows while all out and not only survived came out on top.

An "All out" Superman was smashing Imperiex Probes with one punch!

Do you think Diana could tank a single blow of that nature?

This is as asinine as your using the Teen Titans abberation as being indicative of Superboy Prime's power.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
An "All out" Superman was smashing Imperiex Probes with one punch!

Do you think Diana could tank a single blow of that nature?

This is as asinine as your using the Teen Titans abberation as being indicative of Superboy Prime's power.

You're actually going to pull out OWAW Superman, and how he fought in that arc, versus his pitiful showing during V&V? Seriously? Okay so what if Superman were fighting V&V Despero like he fought in OWAW, how would that work out for Despero? Not to mention Superman isn't even in this thread fighting Thanos, but since people want to get off topic, How would Despero have dealt with OWAW Superman? Not that it proves anything but still.

I also noticed Hourman going down to a slash that Wolverine at peak would have shrugged off.

All out Superman vs Black Adam...

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/60473/1774985-c87fd_bavssuperman1.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/60473/1774987-c39ea_bavssuperman3.jpg

Now these next scans are important...not only does Black Adam grab Superman arms, he toss Superman like a step child.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/60473/1774991-basuperman19mn.jpg

Superman also admits in these scans that he can't even move Black Adam out of the city center.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/60473/1774993-basuperman29zi.jpg

Remember, Adam didn't want to fight at all.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/60473/1774997-84246_bavssuperman7.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/60473/1774998-f2010_bavssuperman9.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
All out Superman vs Black Adam...

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/60473/1774985-c87fd_bavssuperman1.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/60473/1774987-c39ea_bavssuperman3.jpg

Now these next scans are important...not only does Black Adam grab Superman arms, he toss Superman like a step child.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/60473/1774991-basuperman19mn.jpg

Superman also admits in these scans that he can't even move Black Adam out of the city center.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/60473/1774993-basuperman29zi.jpg

Remember, Adam didn't want to fight at all.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/60473/1774997-84246_bavssuperman7.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/60473/1774998-f2010_bavssuperman9.jpg

Originally posted by h1a8
Thus any showing you use that is not OWAW or DOS is not and all out Superman.

Does that also include Superman from the V&V story? We all know that they all jobbed, and weren't using their powers to their utmost during V&V.

Originally posted by Stoic
Does that also include Superman from the V&V story? We all know that they all jobbed, and weren't using their powers to their utmost during V&V.

Originally posted by h1a8
OWAW retcon that Superman has mental blocks that can only be removed by meditation, training, or dire circumstances. Thus any showing you use that is not OWAW or DOS is not and all out Superman.

When did you make the rules?