Superman and Hulk vs 5 Invincibles

Not to sound snooty, but you kinda back peddling here.

Pain is not the issue with Mark, it was the equilibrium. He could not fly rich with the signal, so out pacing a normal human being with instant teleportation is a damn good feat when they have a device that knocks you out of the sky in a quarter mile radius.

Proof at all Flash was moving at top speeds? Other wise it's just BS opponion.

I was not trying to argue BS feats of ABC logic. You did by going down that road. I was initially using feats. Not who fought who like you did 🙂

Overall we will agree to disagree, but you started the the argument of Character A fought Fast character B so in turn must be as fast. That was all you.

You're confused.

Mark fighting someone at superspeed is proof of superspeed.

Mark fighting someone who fought someone who fought someone who at one point used superspeed, is not proof of him being as fast as the someone who once used superspeed.

Superman wins.

This is damn near spite

Originally posted by krisblaze
You're confused.

Mark fighting someone at superspeed is proof of superspeed.

Mark fighting someone who fought someone who fought someone who at one point used superspeed, is not proof of him being as fast as the someone who once used superspeed.

Yes. And the fact Mark is shown as equals with his genetic father Omni Man, matching Conquest in their second battle who trumped Omni Man, as well other Viltrumites of the same powers, then yes Mark is insane fast on his own. I only bring up Omni Man and Supreme to show what Viltrumites are capable of. By feats Mark is equals with his Father in everyway by feats and accomplishments. Which is more evidence to his own.

If we ignore the who beat who garbage, then by raw speed feats Mark is more than a match for Superman's own speed.

Superman has been killed by fists.

Invincible has fists. 😬

Originally posted by CadenceV2
Yes. And the fact Mark is shown as equals with his genetic father Omni Man, matching Conquest in their second battle who trumped Omni Man, as well other Viltrumites of the same powers, then yes Mark is insane fast on his own. I only bring up Omni Man and Supreme to show what Viltrumites are capable of. By feats Mark is equals with his Father in everyway by feats and accomplishments. Which is more evidence to his own.

If we ignore the who beat who garbage, then by raw speed feats Mark is more than a match for Superman's own speed.

We don't equate feats that way on KMC.

Beta Ray Bill isn't given every feat Thor has.

I agree with your overall argument that if Omni-Man displays super-speed then by a logical extension Mark should be capable of similar super-speed feats.

I disagree with your argument that Omni-Man has lightspeed reactions because he fought Supreme, who fought Gladiator, who has one incident of lightspeed combat 🙂

Originally posted by krisblaze
We don't equate feats that way on KMC.

Beta Ray Bill isn't given every feat Thor has.

I agree with your overall argument that if Omni-Man displays super-speed then by a logical extension Mark should be capable of similar super-speed feats.

I disagree with your argument that Omni-Man has lightspeed reactions because he fought Supreme, who fought Gladiator, who has one incident of lightspeed combat 🙂

Gladiator only has one? I thought the War of Kings had like two in itself. I never read it so I cannot say for certain. I will recheck but I know Supreme over all has I think 2 stated Lightspeed attack moments. I have to find those scans to see.

Anyway you read the Invincible Comics and seen the stand alone speed feats which are pretty good. So I will leave on that 🙂

Originally posted by CadenceV2
Gladiator only has one? I thought the War of Kings had like two in itself. I never read it so I cannot say for certain. I will recheck but I know Supreme over all has I think 2 stated Lightspeed attack moments. I have to find those scans to see.

Anyway you read the Invincible Comics and seen the stand alone speed feats which are pretty good. So I will leave on that 🙂

Yes, but like I said, super-speed does not make you fast enough to keep up with Superman.

Quicksilver has super-speed but would never be able to touch Superman.

True but Invincible has better speed feats than QS too 🙂

Originally posted by CadenceV2
True but Invincible has better speed feats than QS too 🙂

Yes, and I never claimed otherwise.

The point was that having super-speed alone does not mean that you can match superman in speed.

Hulk and Superman win.

Originally posted by CadenceV2
The best examples of speed fights for Mark would include his fight with Omni Man. In that first major fight they were battling from mid America all the way to the North Pole in a few panels.

Mark vs Conquest is another example as Mark was fighting so fast that Cecil stated instant Teleportation would not keep up. They also stated you have to slow satellite scans of the fight, and still be 8 minuets behind the battle.

In the Viltrumite we see Viltrumites battle from one side of the planets space to the next within what seems seconds.

Omni Man and Allen done the same as above.

There was also the Fight wit Omni Man and Invincible vs three Viltrumites on a alien planet, battling at insane speeds across said planet.

Omni Man also had a speed blitz fight with Supreme who has shown Lightspeed attacks as well.

There is also the many showings of just fun things like catching a baseball thrown so fast to travel the world, getting comics in a split second from one side of the city to the other, and general speeds of navigating the planet in one panel, or flying several light years across space in two weeks time for habitable planets.

There is also a handful of speed blitzing feats where Mark kills or tries to kill a slower foe. Like The Nasa guy with the Squids. He just blitzed him and punched his head off in Instant. I love that panel.

I'm not sure how quantifiable Marks feats are, but if they can travel lighters while navigating they should have Superman level speeds.

Its both a speed feat and reaction feat. Because he has to search entire planet before he could reach the island.

Originally posted by carver9
When was it stated that Flash was fighting Superman at top speed? Scans.

Do you think Invincible can keep up with Flash at that speed? Because Batman ordered Flash to run at his top speed to burn out the venom in his body. And current Flash can operate in femtoseconds.

A bunch of other speed feats. Like a weakened Superman going to sun and blitzing Lex back before he could get up after being back at full power.

http://i.imgur.com/XGDrXFh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/XlxXaqp.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/BRJ39iN.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/yYMT0xZ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Op3IINp.jpg

Or flying around Earth three hundred times in a very short time after Apollo amped him with a sunlight blast.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/102593/3773690-0q.png

And his reaction time is so fast that he can process data that supercomputers could have taken years to process IN SECONDS.

http://i.imgur.com/SSY6trJ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/L50cCAG.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Cl8BuXc.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/wmvtboM.jpg

By definition a supercomputer can process data at nanoseconds.

A supercomputer is a computer at the frontline of contemporary processing capacity – particularly speed of calculation which can happen at speeds of nanoseconds.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercomputer

So you get an idea of how fast he is.