Originally posted by Board Walker
When taking alternate relaities into account is accurate to assume a parallel between their main stream counterparts unless otherwise indicated. Injustice has demonstrated a majority of the characters being precisely like their mainstream counterparts, and it would be accurate to do so for Ganthet as well.Ganthet is not featless throughout the Injustice run, he has the following feats.
1. Effortlessly One shotted Hal Jordan, Sinestro, and 3 yellow Lanterns simultaneously.
2. Effortlessly Incinerated hundreds of yellow lanterns in space with the wave of his hand
3. Effortlessly one shotted Shazam with the wave of his index finger while whispering "Shh".
4. Effortlessly one shotted Superman (prior to yellow ring upgrade) with the wave of his hand.Post of Superman gaining a yellow lantern ring he was able to effortlessly kill a blood thirsted Ganthet who tried to kill him (stated on panel), and killed Mogo simultaneously.
Except Ganthet in the mainstream DCU hasn't done all that....last big battle I remember, he was amped by Parallax, and some heralds owned him.
Originally posted by Board Walker
That is what Ganthet did in the Injustice run
So...he didn't do it in the mainstream run.
So...they're not equal.
They are different.
Do Hal/Sinestro/3 yellow lanterns have the same feats?
Do the hundreds of yellow lanterns have the same feats?
Does Shazam have the same feats?
Superman?
We already know, that in Injustice, Yellow Lanterns are empowered by the fear of others. The more people fear you, the more power you have. THAT is definitely different from mainstream DCU.
Conversely, the less fear people have of you, the less power you have.
On the battlefield, nobody feared the Yellow Lanterns. Therefore, incineration hundreds (your second feat) is not that great a feat. Nor is 1, as Sinestro would not have been feared as much. Him one shotting Hal/Guy is to be expected, as he always had more power than them.
So essentially, you are left with 2 feats. Hushing Shazam, and smacking Superman away. The second of which, many have done, without being Skyfather tier.
So really, the only feat you have, is hushing Shazam.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Ok, so let's stick to Superman. His Parademon feat put's him imo at the very least in the HH Tier. What level would you need to own an HH in such a humiliating manner, in your opinion?
Well, looking at some of the characters we have in the Trans tiering here on KMC, Fernus the Burning being a prime example, I would say Injustice Ganthet could well be a Trans, based on the few feats.
Odin is safely a tier above that.
Fernus, after all, CASUALLY owned the JLA....but would you put him up against Odin and expect a win?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well, looking at some of the characters we have in the Trans tiering here on KMC, Fernus the Burning being a prime example, I would say Injustice Ganthet could well be a Trans, based on the few feats.Odin is safely a tier above that.
Fernus, after all, CASUALLY owned the JLA....but would you put him up against Odin and expect a win?
Ok, we are now just trying to find a common ground. So where in the Trans Tier would you put Ganthet, mid or high?
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Ok, we are now just trying to find a common ground. So where in the Trans Tier would you put Ganthet, mid or high?
He has too few feats to say. That's the issue here.
I mean, Board Walker listed 4 of his greatest feats, of which 2 are dodgy at best (the owning of the lanterns, and the owning of Sinestro/Hal/Guy).
So we have two feats. One is shushing/then blasting Shazam, and the other is blasting Superman.
Neither of which suggests he has any durability. He has energy projection skills, sure, no one is doubting that. But a solid tier beneath Odin, who really is the top Skyfather out there.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He has too few feats to say. That's the issue here.I mean, Board Walker listed 4 of his greatest feats, of which 2 are dodgy at best (the owning of the lanterns, and the owning of Sinestro/Hal/Guy).
So we have two feats. One is shushing/then blasting Shazam, and the other is blasting Superman.
Neither of which suggests he has any durability. He has energy projection skills, sure, no one is doubting that. But a solid tier beneath Odin, who really is the top Skyfather out there.
C'mon he blocked Supermans best with ease and humiliated him worse than anyone else, at least you could say, he is a whole tier above Superman, that would be what is most likely, don't you think?
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
C'mon he blocked Supermans best with ease and humiliated him worse than anyone else, at least you could say, he is a whole tier above Superman, that would be what is most likely, don't you think?
Well, yes, I agree. So Trans.
Which is below Skyfather.
So, in terms of tiers:
Mid Herald: Shazam (this is purely going by the tier thread)
High Herald: Superman (as per our mutual agreement)
Trans: Ganthet (owned a HH and a mid herald as effortlessly as others have, such as Fernus)
Skyfather: Odin (and like mainstream DC Superman, or 616 Surfer being the top examples of the HH tier, Odin is the top dog of his tier).
Ganthet humiliated the tiers below him. This is only fair.
Odin would do the same.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well, yes, I agree. So Trans.Which is below Skyfather.
So, in terms of tiers:
Mid Herald: Shazam (this is purely going by the tier thread)
High Herald: Superman (as per our mutual agreement)
Trans: Ganthet (owned a HH and a mid herald as effortlessly as others have, such as Fernus)
Skyfather: Odin (and like mainstream DC Superman, or 616 Surfer being the top examples of the HH tier, Odin is the top dog of his tier).Ganthet humiliated the tiers below him. This is only fair.
Odin would do the same.
Ok, I think we can go with this list. Now Superman tanked a whole blast of the same Ganthet who casually humiliated him.
http://i.imgur.com/02lNYrh.jpg
He put more effort into this attack than before.
Also Sinestro Superman owned him and Mogo at the very same time.
That would be mean that Superman had to be at least a whole Tier above Ganthet. So Ganthet being a Trans means this Superman is a Skyfather level being, the same level as Odin. So this is a good fight.
BTW I agreed with you that Ganthet had to be a Trans and that Superman, even in the same Tier as Odin would lose because of Odins experience.
I just hoped they will show how Superman with the ring can be defeated... never happened though.
EDit: I am going by the weakest interpretation here though I can see that the GL and SL being mid Heralds and Supes already being low Trans and Ganthet mid to high Skyfather, which would put Superman with the yellow Ring above this. But for the sake of this argument I rather stick with the weaker interpretations.
As much as I love Mogo (and I do, I really do) I don't see him(her?) as a Trans level being.
I know he owned loads of yellow lanterns (not 'millions', as Board Walker laughably claimed) but due to the way the Sinestro rings work in Injustice (based on the fear others have of you), these no name, featless lanterns would be the very definition of cannon fodder, lol. They have no names, no feats. No one would fear them. Ergo, they have no power, and we shouldn't attribute all of them as HHs. Or even mid-heralds.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
As much as I love Mogo (and I do, I really do) I don't see him(her?) as a Trans level being.I know he owned loads of yellow lanterns (not 'millions', as Board Walker laughably claimed) but due to the way the Sinestro rings work in Injustice (based on the fear others have of you), these no name, featless lanterns would be the very definition of cannon fodder, lol. They have no names, no feats. No one would fear them. Ergo, they have no power, and we shouldn't attribute all of them as HHs. Or even mid-heralds.
But you agree that Ganthet is Trans and Superman with a yellow Ring had to be a tier above him to own him in such a humiliating manner, right?
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
But you agree that Ganthet is Trans and Superman with a yellow Ring had to be a tier above him to own him in such a humiliating manner, right?
👆
Yup.
Sinestro Superman, when he killed Ganthet, was Skyfather tier. Where he is in that tier (High/Mid/Low) I have no idea, however.
Edit: do we even have high/mid/low Skyfathers?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
👆Yup.
Sinestro Superman, when he killed Ganthet, was Skyfather tier. Where he is in that tier (High/Mid/Low) I have no idea, however.
Edit: do we even have high/mid/low Skyfathers?
Personally I like to split every Tier into low, mid and high or lesser, intermediate and greater.
So we agree it is a good fight but that Odin would most likely win.
Originally posted by Board Walker
Superman has always been a high herald, Ganthet effortlessly defeated him. This puts Ganthet in the high trans to Skyfather league, of which is then used for the next reference. Superman with a ring then effortlessly killed Ganthet which puts superman far above high trans, and or skyfather.Mogo is all likelyhood a high trans, and or low skyfather due to his effortless destroying of billions mid-high heralds.
This was the type of argument I was posting against.
Billions of mid-high heralds?
Superman being turned into above skyfather?
Yeahhhhhh....
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
This was the type of argument I was posting against.Billions of mid-high heralds?
Superman being turned into above skyfather?
Yeahhhhhh....
This is a more generous interpretation though still a possibility, I just don't see it because it was just one showing and we lack more.
