snake eyes vs batman

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well, sure, better chance - but just because one guy has mastered 127 styles, and the other has mastered five or whatever - does not automatically mean 127 guy wins.

After all, there are only so many different ways you can effectively punch. The human body only moves in certain ways, after all. A lot of those 127 styles will have things in common with each other - it's not as if Batman knows 127 different ways to headbutt someone.

Oh, I agree, DS, Just saying it "helps your odds". Personally, I think its the individual more than the style/styles. BTW, did you see that show on Discovery, called Fight Science, iirc. Boxing had the hardest punch followed by karate. kung fu came in last, I believe. Maybe all punches aren't created equally, after all.

a punch is a punch. kick is a kick. a takedown is a takedown. its not about styles its about you mastering the reflex speed and movement aspects. its more about the stats than the style.

Originally posted by swollenNerd
a punch is a punch. kick is a kick. a takedown is a takedown. its not about styles its about you mastering the reflex speed and movement aspects. its more about the stats than the style.

Kinda-sorta. like saying a volkswagon and a Ferrari are cars. A lot of difference in technique in delivering kicks and punches. muscle memory and reflex speed factor in more than stats (talking strength here). Tae kwan do can KO with a kick, others styles can not. Boxing can ko with one punch, kung fu, not so much. But still, as I said earlier, its the individual, not the style.

Just as a side note, I've been in the ring a few times, and just by seeing the stance of my opponent, I knew what style he used, therefore I was able to prepare for what kind of offense he could use against me.

Knowing is half the battle....

Originally posted by BerserkersRage
Just as a side note, I've been in the ring a few times, and just by seeing the stance of my opponent, I knew what style he used, therefore I was able to prepare for what kind of offense he could use against me.

Knowing is half the battle....

Originally posted by deathslash
then I guess it's a really good thing that the Arashikage fighting style is unknown to bruce

lol, your sarcasm isn't lost on me, bro. I'm just talking generally. Not trying to change your mind, just sharing my thoughts, as a martial arts practitioner.

Peace and aloha! 🙂

Originally posted by BerserkersRage
lol, your sarcasm isn't lost on me, bro. I'm just talking generally. Not trying to change your mind, just sharing my thoughts, as a martial arts practitioner.

Peace and aloha! 🙂

Originally posted by BerserkersRage
Kinda-sorta. like saying a volkswagon and a Ferrari are cars. A lot of difference in technique in delivering kicks and punches. muscle memory and reflex speed factor in more than stats (talking strength here). Tae kwan do can KO with a kick, others styles can not. Boxing can ko with one punch, kung fu, not so much. But still, as I said earlier, its the individual, not the style.

as i said. mostly what determines the effectiveness of the kick or the punch is the stats behind them. there arent many ways you can throw a punch. of course a boxing punch would be the most optimal but overall its the power and speed behind the punch. what seperates punches the same way a ferrari would be seperated from a wagen is the stats of speed and power behind the punch. styles will never make such difference.
you dont need tae kwon do to ko with a kick. an average guy from the street can ko with a kick. its the human nature to fight and many things you use in martial arts are just common human natural movement. its more about persoanl stats of endurance stamina speed and power. why do you think there are street thugs who train some MMA and then come and dominate the ring? mike tyson was rocking his hood with his punches before he learned boxing. they all had ready up stats they just had to sharp them with the right technique. but stats come first.

Originally posted by BerserkersRage
Just as a side note, I've been in the ring a few times, and just by seeing the stance of my opponent, I knew what style he used, therefore I was able to prepare for what kind of offense he could use against me.

Knowing is half the battle....

if you have been in the ring then there shouldnt be many styles you should been expecting. if its a boxing match you been in, you know your fighter is a boxer. if its muay thai then its muay thai. i have been and still fighting in MMA and even in MMA you already know mostly what to expect. this is not a mortal kombat tournament.

I have a black belt in origami.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I have a black belt in origami.

👆 We have a winner!!! 🙂

Originally posted by deathslash
I wasn't being sarcastic. It really is a good thing that Bruce doesn't know the Arashikage fighting style. I know that you weren't trying to change anyone's mind and I also know that experience (because I also practice martial arts)

👆 Brothers in arms!! Peace!

Originally posted by swollenNerd
as i said. mostly what determines the effectiveness of the kick or the punch is the stats behind them. there arent many ways you can throw a punch. of course a boxing punch would be the most optimal but overall its the power and speed behind the punch. what seperates punches the same way a ferrari would be seperated from a wagen is the stats of speed and power behind the punch. styles will never make such difference.
you dont need tae kwon do to ko with a kick. an average guy from the street can ko with a kick. its the human nature to fight and many things you use in martial arts are just common human natural movement. its more about persoanl stats of endurance stamina speed and power. why do you think there are street thugs who train some MMA and then come and dominate the ring? mike tyson was rocking his hood with his punches before he learned boxing. they all had ready up stats they just had to sharp them with the right technique. but stats come first.

We both have differing opinions, and that's kewl. Sure, an average guy can ko someone with a kick, but where we disagree is that an average guy has to get someone in position to KO, like on the ground. don't think he would be able to ko a standing man in defensive position. As for Mike Tyson, I believe he was in a boxing camp at a young age, but that's neither here nor there. It's all good!

As for the thread, still thinking its a split. 🙂

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well, sure, better chance - but just because one guy has mastered 127 styles, and the other has mastered five or whatever - does not automatically mean 127 guy wins.

After all, there are only so many different ways you can effectively punch. The human body only moves in certain ways, after all. A lot of those 127 styles will have things in common with each other - it's not as if Batman knows 127 different ways to headbutt someone.

Offensive options is only a small part of it.. The real strength of mastering different styles, is learning defensive options... Mastering a style means commiting tactics to muscle memory, since you obviously won't have time to think when the other guys trying to cave in your skull, or capture you in a joint lock, choke the wind out of you, tackle you down, ect ect..

If you watch UFC, think of the classic example of Maurice Smith learning grappling tactics enough to learn how to deal with being grounded by Mark Coleman, so that he could employ his kick boxing style.. Without putting in the time to learn the basics of wrestling, he probably would have been grounded and pounded just like every other stand up hand to hand expert who didn't know how to deal with a simple take down..

Or look at another No Holds Barred example of Royce Gracie being an undefeated monster in his heyday of UFC, but when he comes back years later without upgrading his training, he suffers a crushing defeat to a move called a clock choke, because his tactics were dated.

So Batman, by mastering 127 styles, should theoretically be able to deal with anything Shang could throw at him, tactics wise.

Of course, there's other factors like raw physical stats, which Shang exceeds Batman in, but at no point should Shang be able to hit Batman with something that he's at a loss to deal with. Which Shang, on the other hand, could possibly be hit with something in Batman's arsenal that he's not prepared or trained to counter.

Edit: Whoops, this is the Snake Eyes thread.

In that case, yeah, Batman could be hit with something he might not be able to handle, because Snake Eyes uses a fictional style with it's own moves. Odds are good that something in Batman's other styles should be sufficient to counter, but it's not a 100% thing.. There's probably going to be things in SE's martial art that Bats is going to have to have some trouble dealing with, simply for lack of having no way to prepare defenses in advance..

^wow, good post! Great analogies!

Originally posted by swollenNerd
if you have been in the ring then there shouldnt be many styles you should been expecting. if its a boxing match you been in, you know your fighter is a boxer. if its muay thai then its muay thai. i have been and still fighting in MMA and even in MMA you already know mostly what to expect. this is not a mortal kombat tournament.

There are many different styles of boxing.