superman vs goku

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Are we not understanding each other Juggs. You said what makes me think Bills is 100X stronger then SSJ3 Goku.

I based that off the fight of SSJ3 Goku vs Bills.

That answer will suffice as a proper response, for competent answer to the question you asked.

I understand you but you don't seem to understand me.

That does not show Bills being 100 times stronger than SSJ3 Goku. He could have owned Goku like that if he were merely double or triple his strength.

And I also pointed out that SSJ1 Goku in GT was 100 times stronger than SSJ3 Goku in DBZ. That does not even account for the multipliers he recieved by transforming further. Basically SSJ4 Goku can be argued to be more than 800 times stronger than SSJ3 Goku in DBZ. And you've not yet provided any evidence that Bills is even 100 times stronger than SSJ3 Goku. I can break it down further if needed.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Since when did we swap out cannon for non cannon around here, this place used to always be cannon>non cannon. If its changed, who changed it?

We didn't but you clearly don't understand why the non canon SSJ4 is stronger than the canon SSG. It seems like you just want SSG to be stronger solely because it is canon. So iyo is Frieza stronger than Broly because Broly is non canon?

Y'all need to remember that while GT may not be canon to Z, Z is still canon to GT.

That little tid-bit becomes very important in discussions like these.

Not "Y'all". Only one of us seems to not be getting it

Goku wins. 😉

Originally posted by Galan007
Y'all need to remember that while GT may not be canon to Z, Z is still canon to GT.

That little tid-bit becomes very important in discussions like these.

That's true, never thought about it that way.

Originally posted by juggerman
Not "Y'all". Only one of us seems to not be getting it

I merely was trying to relay to you my understanding of what I thought based off what you asked, Galan's on par as usual though, so I defer to his judgement.

Originally posted by juggerman
Not "Y'all". Only one of us seems to not be getting it

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
That's true, never thought about it that way.

supermans feats out class goku's

I think Superman may die to a galaxy wide Spirit Bomb but outside of that, Supes.

Originally posted by yungz22
supermans feats out class goku's

Just because Goku actually SAVES the universes he's defending, doesn't mean that his enemies and him can't destroy them. In DBZ, and in fact many manga and comics as well, statements = feats.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
statements = feats.

By that rationale, Supes' durability "feat" against Cold Cast would actually be applicable ("Lol15supernovas"😉, and Goku would have a much harder time reasonably defeating him.

Originally posted by Based
I think Superman may die to a galaxy wide Spirit Bomb but outside of that, Supes.

A spirit bomb would do no damage no matter how much energy Goku draws for it.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Just because Goku actually SAVES the universes he's defending, doesn't mean that his enemies and him can't destroy them. In DBZ, and in fact many manga and comics as well, statements = feats.

What does that have to do with anything

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Just because Goku actually SAVES the universes he's defending, doesn't mean that his enemies and him can't destroy them. In DBZ, and in fact many manga and comics as well, statements = feats.

What statements show they can universe bust?

Oh this again?

It's from the anime where Dende says Buu's scream is going to make a big enough rip in dimensions that other dimensions will come crashing through.

It's then scaled to every other ki blast as it's all about a scream, forgetting that it's a technique specific effect.

And then to every physical attack as Vegito punched through a barrier formed around Buu, based on no durability feats.

It's nonsense.

Originally posted by Galan007
Y'all need to remember that while GT may not be canon to Z, Z is still canon to GT.

That little tid-bit becomes very important in discussions like these.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Oh this again?

It's from the anime where Dende says Buu's scream is going to make a big enough rip in dimensions that other dimensions will come crashing through.

It's then scaled to every other ki blast as it's all about a scream, forgetting that it's a technique specific effect.

And then to every physical attack as Vegito punched through a barrier formed around Buu, based on no durability feats.

It's nonsense.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Up to the Buu saga, diverging paths and all that. Material created after the paths split, like BoG, wouldn't be canon to GT.

Regardless, the likes of SSJG Goku and Bills obviously weren't considered when GT was first produced--hence why we have to use logical approximations/power-scaling to figure out why they still don't hold a candle next to GT-era power levels.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Oh this again?

It's from the anime where Dende says Buu's scream is going to make a big enough rip in dimensions that other dimensions will come crashing through.

It's then scaled to every other ki blast as it's all about a scream, forgetting that it's a technique specific effect.

And then to every physical attack as Vegito punched through a barrier formed around Buu, based on no durability feats.

It's nonsense.

Oh I see.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Up to the Buu saga, diverging paths and all that. Material created after the paths split, like BoG, wouldn't be canon to GT.

Interesting viewpoint

Didnt superman sneeze away a universe lol