Originally posted by Insane Titan
For those who read annihilation, in the book Galactus doesn't give Surfer more power he just removes his remorse etc and makes him less of a pacifist.
Not to get in the middle of your exchange with carver, but the way I read it Galactus intended to do both (amp Surfer's power and remove his remorse to make him ready for the battle in Annihilation), but Surfer demanded to keep his compassion and Galactus relented to his wishes:
Galactus states:
"I can give you conviction--and the power to see it through."
"I can undo what was done in anger. I can restore you."
"I can heal you. I can renew your will, grant you new power, take away the remorse."
Surfer says
"No. Give me the will to do what must be done. Let my remorse define me."
To which Galactus says
"So be it"
then clasps Surfer in his hand and energizes him. IMO, from what's stated and depicted in the page, Galactus gave Surfer a power up, and intended to also take away his remorse, but Surfer demanded to keep it, and Galactus allowed the compromise. Later, when Surfer encountered Ravenous for a second time after this event with Galactus he remarked that Surfer had changed, and then Surfer effortlessly destroys a planet in their clash as a show of power and Ravenous asks what has Surfer become. To me, that statement was related to the fact that Surfer was far more powerful than their first encounter and Ravenous was in awe at the increase in Surfer's firepower.
So I actually think carver's right on this one.
Originally posted by MF DELPHseeing has he has displayed zero showings to prove he's more powerful I don't see how you can come that conclusion.
Not to get in the middle of your exchange with carver, but the way I read it Galactus intended to do both (amp Surfer's power and remove his remorse to make him ready for the battle in Annihilation), but Surfer demanded to keep his compassion and Galactus relented to his wishes:Galactus states:
"I can give you conviction--and the power to see it through."
"I can undo what was done in anger. I can restore you."
"I can heal you. I can renew your will, grant you new power, take away the remorse."
Surfer says
"No. Give me the will to do what must be done. Let my remorse define me."
To which Galactus says
"So be it"
then clasps Surfer in his hand and energizes him. IMO, from what's stated and depicted in the page, Galactus gave Surfer a power up, and intended to also take away his remorse, but Surfer demanded to keep it, and Galactus allowed the compromise. Later, when Surfer encountered Ravenous for a second time after this event with Galactus he remarked that Surfer had changed, and then Surfer effortlessly destroys a planet in their clash as a show of power and Ravenous asks what has Surfer become. To me, that statement was related to the fact that Surfer was far more powerful than their first encounter and Ravenous was in awe at the increase in Surfer's firepower.
So I actually think carver's right on this one.
Plus carver is never right so by default it's wrong.
Originally posted by Insane Titan
still not enough IMO, considering the amount of people he has faced since then.
Other writers might not heed the powerup, but it was very clear in the arcs following Annihilation that he was more powerful than before.
Both in the Heralds of Galactus one-shot, and in Nova.
Originally posted by krisblazeI don't see how, as all he did In them was shown to easily above Nova which we already knew and in Heralds of Galactus all he did was Chanel Chrunch energies.
Other writers might not heed the powerup, but it was very clear in the arcs following Annihilation that he was more powerful than before.Both in the Heralds of Galactus one-shot, and in Nova.
He just seemed more focused and determined etc.
Originally posted by Insane Titan
I don't see how, as all he did In them was shown to easily above Nova which we already knew and in Heralds of Galactus all he did was Chanel Chrunch energies.He just seemed more focused and determined etc.
He also took more hits from Tenebrous/Aegis imo.
Honestly it feels like you're just refusing to acknowledge this, despite overwhelming evidence.
There is a very direct comparison between pre and post-boost. Surfer also specifically states that he wants to retain his remorse.
Do you really believe that the mention of his power-up and the whole Galactus' restoration of him only refers to a slight shift in personality?