Originally posted by StoicThanos did better against Tyrant offensively than he did Odin but was in worse shape from what Tyrant dished out.
Thanos took on Odin this is true, but he was being thrown around in that battle. The power disparity was evident. He did a lot better against Tyrant, and Tyrant in my opinion was either as powerful as Odin, or slightly more powerful based on his battle with a fed Galactus. All in all they are within the same ballpark in terms of power (concerning Tyrant, and Odin).It's like I said; Some people believe that Thanos was amplified when he took on Tyrant. Some people believe that the Orb offered absolutely nothing to him. I believe that he was amplified, because if he wasn't he wouldn't have been scrambling to reclaim it once it had been dislodged from his grasp. He even uses it while punching Tyrant in the face. This appeared to have given him an offensive boost from where I stood. If Thanos only wanted to steal the Orb, the moment that he got it, he would have called one of his drones to retrieve it, and bring it back to his vessel. The main problem with Tyrant, was that he was written by more than one writer, and none of them were contiguous when dealing with him.
IMO the orb was used as way to conduct and Chanel his own energy with the help of the energy inside the orb. As seen at the end if the arc Thanos studied the orb because of it's knowledge.
On the point of dropping the orb and scrambling to regain it, it's simple Thanos knew Tyrant was superior and if tyrant got the orb back his efforts would have been for nothing. At the end of the fight Thanos even says to tyrant he had gained what he came for after telling Tyrant he would have to take the back from him.
Originally posted by thingy150
I am going to admit where i am wrong, thanos still destroys the hulk based off of other feats but the orb did amp him, i found it saying this on marvel wiki.Carver do not throw a field day because you proved nothing, i did and you had a horrible argument and you still have yet to say why you think hulk wins and or used any hulk feats.
Never said Hulk would beat Thanos.
Originally posted by Insane Titan
Thanos did better against Tyrant offensively than he did Odin but was in worse shape from what Tyrant dished out.IMO the orb was used as way to conduct and Chanel his own energy with the help of the energy inside the orb. As seen at the end if the arc Thanos studied the orb because of it's knowledge.
On the point of dropping the orb and scrambling to regain it, it's simple Thanos knew Tyrant was superior and if tyrant got the orb back his efforts would have been for nothing. At the end of the fight Thanos even says to tyrant he had gained what he came for after telling Tyrant he would have to take the back from him.
You could be correct. I just thought that Tyrant was handled really poorly, and then they turned around and deep sixed him. What strengthened my stance on Tyrant being on Odin's level or perhaps a little more powerful was his battle with Galactus compared to Odin's battle with Galactus, and All Father Thor's later battle with Galactus. When Tyrant fought Galactus, Galactus had just fed on a planet, and was stated to be in prime condition, having prepped for the confrontation. The Orb like I said was seen differently by many people, so it's a bit of an enigma. Me and Zop share pretty much the same view on it.
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Not to butt into a debate. But in the comic I don't think Thanos will beat Hulk (now I am not saying this because I believe Hulk destroys Thanos in battle) but because what would be the point of a long awaited mini then Thanos hits him with a blast that he used on Odin or a punch he used on Surfer while holding him in place with Telekinesis to beat him.I reckon Hulk's going to get a good showing whether he wins or loses. He's msot likely going to fight Thanos for a prolonged time and then Thanos credits Hulk in some way then either Thanos defeats him in some way or the fight gets interrupted.
You shouldn't apologise about 'butting into a debate' when what you say is interesting and makes a lot more sense, and is definitely more on point, than the pages and pages of temper-tantrums and hostility that have proceeded it. Good on you.
Originally posted by wuleecat
You shouldn't apologise about 'butting into a debate' when what you say is interesting and makes a lot more sense, and is definitely more on point, than the pages and pages of temper-tantrums and hostility that have proceeded it. Good on you.
Like how people keep bringing up the scream from BB. I'm going to leave it alone though concerning Thanos. I am going to post this. This Black Bolt was a replica of the real deal. He WAS BB to the point that he fooled the most powerful mind of the planet (Xavier), fooled the most powerful magician on the planet (Strange), and the smartest beings on the planet (Ironman and Black Panther), for all we know, he was BB and he has the fts. Hell, he have fts that poops on the real deal.
Let's continue...
Black Bolt (skrull bolt who is a direct replica of the real deal) screams at Hulk and Hulk powers through it.
The scream was so powerful that it knocked a chunk out of the moon the size of a state (The one Thanos withstood didn't do anything close to that).
Let's continue...
How do we know how powerful this Bolt was? Well, this same Bolt ripped a hole in reality with his scream (poops on anything the real deal did).
Originally posted by Insane Titan
since he proved his case a completely destroyed carvers argument he isn't.
Black Bolt's canon doesn't need an argument from Carver to validate it.
The notion that Boltagon going all out, while being unimpaired at point-blank range equaled that level of damage in INFINITY is asinine.
I would like to see Branla's argument though.
Hate when people quote that guy...he brings me up more than my girl do. Anyways, take this post as you will.
Originally posted by carver9
Amazing ft for Black Bolt.As shown here, the terrigen bomb is powered by Black Bolt voice.
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-08-29-15-20-23_zps5690134d.png.html
Black Bolt starts screaming in the Terrigen bomb, filling it up with his power.
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-08-29-15-51-57_zpscc306863.png.html
As shown here, BB energy has filled the bomb up.
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-09-01-16-46-55_zps8d3f4493.png.html
But it was only filled up to 38% (this is also proof that the bomb could have weakened him. Will provide proof of this later on) as shown here.
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-09-01-16-47-25_zps6e42f330.png.html
Black Bolt then screams at Vulcan which feeds the bomb more power...up to 100%.
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-09-01-16-49-31_zps006cb64e.png.html
The bomb filled with Black Bolt energy explodes.
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-09-01-16-51-01_zpsd40d6c8c.png.html
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-09-01-16-51-13_zpsbd48992e.png.html
As shown in the scan above, it's destroying moons and planets.
But guess what his energy does as well, it rips a hole in space/time.
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-09-01-16-51-22_zpsedfcf5cd.png.html
As shown above the Terrigen bomb is powered by Black Bolts energy...as shown above he release his energy into the bomb and we see the ending results. Now let's proceed. Remember I said the bomb could have weakened BB. Well, Max created the Terrigen bomb again during Infinity as shown here...
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-08-29-13-51-08_zpsb1403e12.png.html
It was stated that BB voice is the activation mechanism for the bomb and as previously shown, the Terrigen bomb IS powered by BB voice. Here is where it is stated that the bomb was activated by BB voice (and as shown above, Max armed it).
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-08-29-13-53-54_zps64268b9d.png.html
So we have proof that the bomb is powered by BB voice, we have proof that the energy from BB voice fills the bomb. We just need confirmation and as shown here in New Avengers, it was confirmed that the bomb did weakened BB during infinity when he initially screamed the first time. It filled the bomb with his energy which spread across the earth (as shown in my scan above).
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-08-06-17-28-14_zpsd602737e.png.html
So Vulcan fought a weakened BB.
Originally posted by carver9
New Avengers it states he was weakened during infinity due to the the bomb.http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-08-06-17-28-14_zpsd602737e.png.html
Black Bolt screamed 3 to 4 times during infinity but the bomb went off 'after' this scream.
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-08-06-17-19-32_zps9253b0c2.png.html
The scream that hit Thanos.
After that scream, Thanos and Black Bolt Hit earth and this happens.
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/Screenshot_2014-08-29-13-53-54_zps64268b9d.png.html
The bomb went off. Don't get what's so hard to comprehend here. The question you need to ask yourself is when did BB scream power up the bomb.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklynwhy because going all out =environmental damage lol.
Black Bolt's canon doesn't need an argument from Carver to validate it.The notion that Boltagon going all out, while being unimpaired at point-blank range equaled that level of damage in INFINITY is asinine.
I would like to see Branla's argument though.
Bran destroyed his argument showing his scans were out of context and in the wrong order along with some having nothing to do with the actual scene.
And that's not including the fact the writer said black bolt gave everything he had against Thanos.
