Originally posted by Estacado
Guys calm down....mmm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64S9UaJ3-RQ
It's my fault to be honest.
Originally posted by Estacado
Guys calm down....mmm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64S9UaJ3-RQ
It's my fault to be honest.
Originally posted by Estacadolol.
Guys calm down....mmm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64S9UaJ3-RQ
Gonna go get my pump on
Originally posted by carver9
By the way, what interview are you talking about?
http://www.newsarama.com/21299-original-sin-insider-waid-gillen-on-hulk-vs-iron-man.html
Nrama: Last time Iron Man pissed off the Hulk, it was for being part of the group that shot Hulk into outer space and begat “Planet Hulk” and then World War Hulk. In terms of a “Hulk angry” meter, where would you place it right now leading into this miniseries?Waid: If Hulk's anger level during “Planet Hulk” was 10, let's call this 11...because Banner ain't exactly pleased, either.
Banner had no play in that showing since Doc Green isn't Banner, so I don't know why you said that.
Because it came directly from the writer, as you can see above.
Doc Green is Banner anyway, regardless of what he says. The Savage Hulk always denied his connection to Banner too - it doesn't make it true. Every Hulk is, when you boil it right down, an off-shoot of some aspect of Banner. He is, and will always be, the core personality, no matter which Hulk is currently in control of the body.
Furthermore, it is quite clear that Waid had a different take on the relationship between Banner and "Doc Green" than Duggan later did. Waid had "Doc Green" explicitly refer to Banner as "I" multiple times in issue #3 of the Hulk vs Iron Man mini
Later on it was revealed that he accepted it all, even the person who shot him with the bullet to the brain because without it, he wouldn't have been born. He just wanted answers from Tony, there was no anger in play during that scene.
You're wrong. "Doc Green" himself explicitly notes how angry he is at Stark multiple times throughout the story. The writer compared his anger levels to World War Hulk or even above that. And in the scene you yourself scanned the entire point of Tony's dialogue is to highlight that though this Hulk is smart he's still ridiculously angry - I really don't know how anyone could possibly interpret that scene in any other way.
Cheers.
Originally posted by LGU
http://www.newsarama.com/21299-original-sin-insider-waid-gillen-on-hulk-vs-iron-man.htmlBecause it came directly from the writer, as you can see above.
Doc Green is Banner anyway, regardless of what he says. The Savage Hulk always denied his connection to Banner too - it doesn't make it true. Every Hulk is, when you boil it right down, an off-shoot of some aspect of Banner. He is, and will always be, the core personality, no matter which Hulk is currently in control of the body.
Furthermore, it is quite clear that Waid had a different take on the relationship between Banner and "Doc Green" than Duggan later did. Waid had "Doc Green" explicitly refer to Banner as "I" multiple times in issue #3 of the Hulk vs Iron Man mini
You're wrong. "Doc Green" himself explicitly notes how angry he is at Stark multiple times throughout the story. The writer compared his anger levels to World War Hulk or even above that. And in the scene you yourself scanned the entire point of Tony's dialogue is to highlight that though this Hulk is smart he's still ridiculously angry - I really don't know how anyone could possibly interpret that scene in any other way.
Cheers.
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Originally posted by LGU
http://www.newsarama.com/21299-original-sin-insider-waid-gillen-on-hulk-vs-iron-man.htmlBecause it came directly from the writer, as you can see above.
Doc Green is Banner anyway, regardless of what he says. The Savage Hulk always denied his connection to Banner too - it doesn't make it true. Every Hulk is, when you boil it right down, an off-shoot of some aspect of Banner. He is, and will always be, the core personality, no matter which Hulk is currently in control of the body.
Furthermore, it is quite clear that Waid had a different take on the relationship between Banner and "Doc Green" than Duggan later did. Waid had "Doc Green" explicitly refer to Banner as "I" multiple times in issue #3 of the Hulk vs Iron Man mini
You're wrong. "Doc Green" himself explicitly notes how angry he is at Stark multiple times throughout the story. The writer compared his anger levels to World War Hulk or even above that. And in the scene you yourself scanned the entire point of Tony's dialogue is to highlight that though this Hulk is smart he's still ridiculously angry - I really don't know how anyone could possibly interpret that scene in any other way.
Cheers.
The interview you posted said 'Banner' was angry, not Doc Green. Never said Banner wasn't angry at the outcome of being the Hulk. Also, I guess you missed the part where Doc Green is sitting in a room meditating which results in him falling asleep. Banner emerge not knowing anything. Didn't know where he was, what happened, etc... Doc Green then talks to him mentally telling him that it isn't time for him to be out. Hell, during that point, Doc Green and Banner are arguing with each other. They are two separate entities. Don't know how you are sitting here telling me they are one of the same when both of them are battling for Banners body and mind. That isn't the case with WWH though. WWH is Banner. Thoughts and body. Banner knew of everything when he was the WWH. In this case, Banner doesn't know what's going on, it's all Doc Green.
Doc Green wanted answers my friend and he got them. Doc isn't mad at being the Hulk because he is actually happy with the results of the extremis etc... he knows that if it wasn't for the bomb, bullet to the head, etc... he would not exist today. Believe what you want though.
Originally posted by carver9
The interview you posted said 'Banner' was angry, not Doc Green. Never said Banner wasn't angry at the outcome of being the Hulk.
You can't possibly be serious with this... can you?
Here is the quote again, with the important bits emphasised for you:
Nrama: Last time Iron Man pissed off the Hulk, it was for being part of the group that shot Hulk into outer space and begat “Planet Hulk” and then World War Hulk. In terms of a “Hulk angry” meter, where would you place it right now leading into this miniseries?Waid: If Hulk's anger level during “Planet Hulk” was 10, let's call this 11...because Banner ain't exactly pleased, either.
Banner is also angry, which, according to Waid, contributes to the *Hulk's* anger-level. It's basic reading comprehension.
Also, I guess you missed the part
I didn't miss anything, and I think it is a bit rich to come out with comments like that when you apparently didn't read the Waid quote or the very clear dialogue in your own scans.
where Doc Green is sitting in a room meditating which results in him falling asleep. Banner emerge not knowing anything. Didn't know where he was, what happened, etc... Doc Green then talks to him mentally telling him that it isn't time for him to be out. Hell, during that point, Doc Green and Banner are arguing with each other. They are two separate entities.
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They are not two separate entities. They are two personalities fighting for control over the same body, but at the most fundamental level "Doc Green" is still a Hulk and still a product of Banner's fractured psyche (with some help from Extremis).
The fact that Banner didn't remember the actions when he was Hulked out means nothing. He didn't remember anything he did while Hulked out throughout Waid's run, or during Jason Aaron's run, or, for that matter, for the first 270-odd issues of the Hulk's existence.
When Hulk and Banner are closely aligned, they share memories. When they are not closely aligned, they generally block each other's memories. This is nothing new and it does not change the fundamental fact that every Hulk is, at the most basic, conceptual level, an off-shoot of Bruce Banner. Banner always was and always will be the core personality - that is fact.
Don't know how you are sitting here telling me they are one of the same when both of them are battling for Banners body and mind.
Oh my gosh, the Hulk and Banner in conflict for control of their body?! That's never happened before!
That isn't the case with WWH though. WWH is Banner. Thoughts and body. Banner knew of everything when he was the WWH. In this case, Banner doesn't know what's going on, it's all Doc Green.
Banner and Doc Green do not coexist peacefully. But they are absolutely not separate entities. Hulk is Banner and Banner is Hulk, whether they are closely aligned or in competition.
Again I point out that throughout Hulk vs Iron Man #3 Waid's "Doc Green" referred to Banner as "I" repeatedly.
Doc Green wants to control the body and wants to be free of Banner - just like every Hulk ever just about. That doesn't make them separate entities, it makes them separate personalities in Banner's fractured psyche.
Doc Green wanted answers my friend and he got them. Doc isn't mad at being the Hulk because he is actually happy with the results of the extremis etc... he knows that if it wasn't for the bomb, bullet to the head, etc... he would not exist today. Believe what you want though.
I will believe that Doc Green was furious with Stark, but not because I want to. I believe it because Doc Green stated it himself, Tony Stark explicitly noted how furious the Hulk was, and the writer of the story stated that the Hulk was madder than he was even when Stark exiled him to Sakaar. These are all cast-iron facts. I am as big a Hulk fan as they come (ask Abhi if you don't believe me!) but there is no reason to ignore such clear evidence.
Doc Green's motivations and steady descent into madness under Duggan really carry no bearing whatsoever on the story that Waid wrote. In that story, "Doc Green" was mad as hell at Stark and this was stated again and again and again. There is no room for debate whatsoever.
Cheers.
Originally posted by Reflassshh
That statement is a little odd... isn't it?
Extremely, and it shouldn't be taken with more than a grain of salt. Waid is not Pak, and thus what he says about Planet Hulk through Heart of the Monster should be disregarded as just another fan putting a spin on things. Wife dies in arms vs I'm just pissed to be pissed. SMH.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85I laffed.
Sometimes, I wonder who the Church of Gamma's greatest detractor is.Is it Abhi, with his super dick riding?
Quan, with his Mistress Death cosplay?
Maybe Rage, just itching to change his name to Mjolnir, so Thor can always be worthy of lifting him.
No, its carver. Carver is the Hulk's worst enemy.
Originally posted by Stoic👆
Extremely, and it shouldn't be taken with more than a grain of salt. Waid is not Pak, and thus what he says about Planet Hulk through Heart of the Monster should be disregarded as just another fan putting a spin on things. Wife dies in arms vs I'm just pissed to be pissed. SMH.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Sometimes, I wonder who the Church of Gamma's greatest detractor is.Is it Abhi, with his super dick riding?
Quan, with his Mistress Death cosplay?
Maybe Rage, just itching to change his name to Mjolnir, so Thor can always be worthy of lifting him.
No, its carver. Carver is the Hulk's worst enemy.