Originally posted by Emperor ShitSTFU.
It sucks.
Your dad told you that a degree mattered, Chessy. Perhaps it did, back in the day. But now that things are run by the NWO, who manipulated my embryo btw, things are a little differently as you're too dull to fully realize.
I make more money than your educated Bardock, I found the job without the research Digi did because I'm set like no one else. The GM at this company, is in with my dad, and I'm too smart to job-hop.
You might not realize this, but I'm hooked both paternally and maternally. I'm Patrick Bateman in the works, and your poor ass is Evelyn. Who'll date me, cheat on me with Rudester/Bryce, want to marry me, and who I will ultimately dump before hallucinating my sins out of reality and becoming messianic. I'll be cheating on your with your BFF.
Originally posted by Oneness
STFU.Your dad told you that a degree mattered, Chessy. Perhaps it did, back in the day. But now that things are run by the NWO, who manipulated my embryo btw, things are a little differently as you're too dull to fully realize.
I make more money than your educated Bardock, I found the job without the research Digi did because I'm set like no one else. The GM at this company, is in with my dad, and I'm too smart to job-hop.
You might not realize this, but I'm hooked both paternally and maternally. I'm Patrick Bateman in the works, and your poor ass is Evelyn. Who'll date me, cheat on me with Rudester/Bryce, want to marry me, and who I will ultimately dump before hallucinating my sins out of reality and becoming messianic. I'll be cheating on your with your BFF.
Nobody gives a sh*t about your sophomoric posturing.
Originally posted by DigiReally dude?
Nobody gives a sh*t about your sophomoric posturing.
Why are you being mean to me?
I thought you were pretty cool about this sh*t that I say.
I guess you don't really understand where a drug-abusing autist is coming from at this point.
Sorry, I thought your were cool like Bob Dylan.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Also, if anyone is wanting to get into IT Management, the "best of the best" qualifications are:1. PMP or CPD certification.
2. Masters of Business Administration and/or Masters of Information Technology (avoid "diploma mills"...that much should be obvious).
3. Six Sigma Green or Black Belt.
The first thing that most of my clients look at to see if I'm qualified for the job is my CV.
Back when I applied for a job at a private corporation, they didn't even interview me when they saw my BAs in IT and ComSci and MA in Business Admin (yes, I have 2 BA degrees and a MA degree).
I was in a managerial position instantly.
Btw, I'd add Cisco and SAP certs. Those are also essentials nowadays.
Originally posted by DigiCongrats!
I've accepted a job offer in a location that I'm going to be happy to relocate to. In the coming month or so, I'll be moving and transitioning to the new position.It's a cliche to say that everything tends to work out in these situations, as many have assured me it would. But I don't put much stock in that, because it's in hindsight. Far better would have been to transition of my own volition, not out of necessity. Now, I'm excited about the job, and planned on moving eventually anyway (though the plan was in another 2-5 years), so it did in fact work itself out. But not without a lot of fear over my situation.
The biggest - and probably most lasting - takeaway from all of this has been the methods by which I searched and networked in my job search. I'm a LOT more savvy on dozens of aspects of the job market that I was oblivious to before. I also learned to network my way into a lot of connections and opportunities in a decent-sized city. While it didn't culminate in something full-time, I've been doing freelance work as a result of my networking. I have three clients (two local), and I'm hoping to hang onto all three even once I move. That worked out for the better, at least, and the whole thing served as a reminder that despite my work ethic, skills, and intelligence, I'm always just one supervisor's opinion away from being on the job market again.
So in this instance, I'm going to chalk it up as a positive, at least provided the new job works out well. But my goal in the next five years or so is going to be to set myself up through savings, investments, and side work (like the freelancing), to give myself a much, much bigger safety net.
Where are you moving to?
Originally posted by Oneness
STFU.Your dad told you that a degree mattered, Chessy. Perhaps it did, back in the day. But now that things are run by the NWO, who manipulated my embryo btw, things are a little differently as you're too dull to fully realize.
I make more money than your educated Bardock, I found the job without the research Digi did because I'm set like no one else. The GM at this company, is in with my dad, and I'm too smart to job-hop.
You might not realize this, but I'm hooked both paternally and maternally. I'm Patrick Bateman in the works, and your poor ass is Evelyn. Who'll date me, cheat on me with Rudester/Bryce, want to marry me, and who I will ultimately dump before hallucinating my sins out of reality and becoming messianic. I'll be cheating on your with your BFF.
Damn, you sound fruitier than usual. What's going on?
Originally posted by Newjak
Congrats!Where are you moving to?
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Ditto and same question.
Backfire's bedroom.
The threats I've received as a mod (no joke) prevent me from feeling comfortable saying an actual area/city/region/etc. I'll PM relevant parties at some point. But it won't be public. But thanks for the congrats; it's greatly appreciated.
Originally posted by Lek Kuen
Finally had enough?
It was the drunk driving thread. I'm done humoring him with actual replies. There's no point.
Was having a conversation with some professional contacts today, and we were talking about comprehensive approaches to job seeking. And by that, I mean not JUST when you're job seeking. There's the "cold" approaches, i.e. online job application sites (Monster, Career Builder, etc.) and "warm" approaches, i.e. networking and connection building. There's no silver bullet, or something that works every time, so those who are most prepared are doing what they can in both realms.
Now, you won't be actively trolling around Monster when you have a steady job. But you can keep your resume updated, and seek out networking opportunities in your town. You can stay active on LinkedIn with professionals and groups in relevant fields. You can seek out side work (depending on your field) that will lead to more money and stronger contacts. Etc. etc. etc.
I'm in transition to my new city, and networking within it is something I'll look to actively do WHILE I have my full-time job. I did nothing with networking until I was out of job back in July, and it took some time for me to build up to a level of immersion in my geographical area to feel like I was doing enough. That's a mistake, and one that I won't repeat, and one I hope others don't as well.
Re: Job Searching
Originally posted by Digi
So I'm becoming something of an expert on this recently, out of necessity. It's been a fascinating experience, truthfully, and I'm not nearly as frightened as I was at the beginning of my search, which is the first hardcore job search I've ever had to do. And it's something everyone does at some point; and most of us will switch jobs multiple times in our lives, so it's a useful knowledge set to have.First and foremost, this is a thread for people to share their stories, experiences, and advice. But below, I'm going to share some of my own.
- Online job searches are the most ubiquitous. Indeed.com, Monster, and Career Builder are big 3. Most states also have state-run job search programs, and several cities will have local versions of the same services.
- Application Tracking Systems (ATS) are used frequently by employers. And based on the way they save and prioritize resumes, there is a heavy element of SEO (Search Engine Optimization) involved with it. A Google search on ATS is the easiest way, and it will give you dozens of tips and tools for optimizing your online resume (which should be formatted much differently than one you'd hand to someone in person).
- The other big avenue is networking. This is scarier, because it involves, ya know, networking. However, most cities will have numerous organizations dedicated to networking. Some are geared toward businesses, others specifically for job seekers. Check with your nearest Chamber of Commerce for some sturdy leads on groups and meetings. Then dress up, have a 1-minute pitch for yourself, and stay positive, and the ball starts rolling. I've met quite a few interesting people, and it's been valuable professionally as well. And it's exponential...networking begets networking. So the more things you do, the more people you'll be put in contact with as a result, and your "network" can expand quite rapidly due to this effect.
- There's a wealth of info out there on resumes, interviewing, phone interviewing, negotiating for salary, etc. so I won't get into it here. A ton of info is available online, though, much of it unbeknownst to the general population.
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Thus far, about 2.5 months in, I've applied for about 50 jobs, interviewed for 6, turned down one job offer, and met with 3 businesspeople who want to work with me in some capacity on freelance projects. The interviews are from a mix of online and networking leads, while the freelance work is entirely from networking. And 4/6 of the interviews are still in the interviewing process, so they remain possible openings. I don't expect to remain on the market much longer, but I also can't boast any full-time offers yet (other than the one I turned down), so my fingers remain crossed.
I'll post individual resources and links if this thread sparks any discussion. Until then...
What are your experiences?
I normally get head hunted, word of mouth is also good. Build up a reputation as being capable, flexible and hardworking. you have any real qualifications and not e-qualification? Big them up, reading our own C.V.'s should always slightly redden our faces.
Re: Re: Job Searching
Originally posted by Alpha Debater
I normally get head hunted, word of mouth is also good. Build up a reputation as being capable, flexible and hardworking. you have any real qualifications and not e-qualification? Big them up, reading our own C.V.'s should always slightly redden our faces.
Well, a lot has happened in the thread since the OP, but ok.
Head hunting is largely field-related. My gf and sister get head hunted in their careers, but it's because of the field they're in. That isn't always great, since the jobs they're hunting for aren't always ideal, but it's steady work if you have no other options. Building a network can increase the likelihood of this otherwise, but no one should count on word of mouth to land them a position.
When I was looking for my fisrt serious job after university, it was a really tough time. Mostly because of that it took about 6 month and had no momey... I started looking for some online jobs, started selling my old stuff, used different referral programs of the services and products I used (as example PaperHelp.org referral program) For some moment even started thinking about creating my own selling/buying website...
But than I was hired for a really good position, and it became just a good memory of a saviver)) 😮💨
How do YOU solv that kind ofd problem??) 💃
Re: Job Searching
Originally posted by Digi
Application Tracking Systems (ATS) are used frequently by employers. And based on the way they save and prioritize resumes, there is a heavy element of SEO (Search Engine Optimization) involved with it. A Google search on ATS is the easiest way, and it will give you dozens of tips and tools for optimizing your online resume (which should be formatted much differently than one you'd hand to someone in person).
Do you have an example of a properly SEO-optimized résumé format or a link to a similar resource?