Satele Shan vs Xesh

Originally posted by ILS
Don't recall her ever contending with someone as good as Ventress evenly with one arm, or being considered a true challenge by TPM Maul.

Going toe to toe with Malgus and solidly outmatching long-standing Dark Council member Mekhis is pretty darn good.

I don't know what people mean when they say "council-level" - being a certain rank, title or what have you means nothing in relation to feats, otherwise Yarael Poof would be better than Anakin Skywalker and Tarkin would be Vader's superior. Every character is defined by what they can do, not their position in an organization.

Because *most* Jedi and Sith council members tend to concentrated around certain levels. Yarael's on the low end of that, but even he's above most Jedi masters off the council.

Anakin isn't a councilor til later on, but he's definitely council level, and the majority of council-level people are on councils generally speaking.

Thus, it's a convenient shorthand description.

It's like when someone beats some Jedi Knights, we have a rough estimation of what average Jedi Knight level is so we can go off that in the feats estimation. And with Jedi Masters. To be on the council someones expected to be among the most powerful Jedi Masters in the order, so thats what "council level" is.

Going toe to toe with Malgus and solidly outmatching long-standing Dark Council member Mekhis is pretty darn good.

Originally posted by ILS
Satele fought Mekhis to a standstill, she didn't outmatch her,

A more reliable source said that satele "Broke" Mekhis and Mekhis seemed to be holding a grudge because Satele "Hurt" her.

That stalemate statement was made by a half crazy recluse jedi who wasn't even there.

Mekhis seemed to believe that Satele defeated her. And a republic information agent, who would have access to information such as this, gloated Mekhis on by reminding her that Satele broke her.

Ah. See I've only read The Lost Suns and I thought that was where the mention of Satele vs Mekhis began and ended. Where can I find the source you're referencing mate?
Although, Theron Shan's statement on Satele breaking her isn't reliable, because he's the one who found out from Zho in the first place, and he certainly wasn't there. He was actually saying that to goad Mekhis so he could kill her with a dart.

Its all in the lost suns. Mekhis said twice that satele hurt her. And if your claiming Therons statement is unreliable, the Jedi's statement is just as unreliable.

There is more evidence pointing to Satele winning than there is loosing/stalemating

You can still hurt someone and fight them to a standstill, and there isn't really proof of anything beyond subjective second hand statements.

And in any case Mehkis isn't really rolling in accomplishments...

Mehkis was significantly injured and abandoned her fortress. That's a pretty big loss, even if it was was supposed to be some fight. And we've seen her palm-block blaster shots and use force lightning, so she's got some force zowie in her.

Though for dueling, the Malgus feats really show what Shan can do more. Oh, and in the Hope trailer, let's not forget that she not *only* took on Malgus, but first, she force-pushed a trio of sith, cut at least two of them down in mid-air, kicked another sith in the face, then cut her way through three more (one just a leg wound, two quite fatally), before taking on Malgus.

Basically she was a sith weed-wacker in the Hope trailer.

And Koon has fought evenly with Ventress and Savage Opress, who have both traded wins and losses over Obi-Wan (Savage hasn't beaten Obi-Wan, but he's done well in some sources, and he has other feats to make him impressive), and both have contended with Anakin (Ventress' showings against Anakin are legit, Savage's was circumstantial, but I digress). He's just the more accomplished duelist. He's approaching Satele in power by pretty effortlessly collapsing a large cave entrance, but she's got Koon beat there.

Collapsing a cave entrance doesn't approach Satele in power, lol. And Satele dueling with Malgus, blitzing Sith Warriors and being said that while violence was an art form for the Sith, it seemed to be life itself for Satele. Not to mentioning holding off Malgus' blade with one-hand, which is a great strength feat.

Satele formed a Force shield that was used as a bowling ball against Hex doids and was said that none of the Hex droid weapons could break through it.

She also mind dominated a large group of Hex droids despite being in another room entirely and despite the Hex droids possessing little organic material.

Then the most known feat for Satele is when she blew Hex Droids apart (which had more resistance than durrastele) and crushed them into balls with gestures. She also froze Hex droids in place just by looking at them.

^ way beyond Ventress crumbling a cave entrance.