Originally posted by Selenial
I never even mentioned the Book of Sith btw, just saying. But yeh, you need Hurricane level winds to propel someone through the sky.And no, because he bubble is a glorified, intensely more powerful version of a Force Barrier, It'd block a Choke just as easily as Lightning...
No you don't. Do you need hurricane level TK to levitate? No.
Speculation.
Originally posted by Nephthys
No, not necessarily. Not with winds that you control with magic. You only need to generate enough force to lift a human off the ground and support them, which isn't that much.I mean, do you need hurricane winds to do Force Whirlwind? Thats lifts peeps off the ground too.
Given the violent nature of Whirlwind, probably *Shrug*
Either way this is entirely irrelevant, as were supposed to be discussing TK.
Originally posted by Nephthys
So Malak has hurricane winds too?Yes, which Talzin has no quantifiably impressive showings in. Vitiate wins. Though he could also beat her in lightning and telepathy as well.
Vitiate has no showings in sabers ^.^
Yes, I'm going to bring this up every time.
Also, again, the Sidious argument.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Unless you think Talzin's gonna try to blitz him, shrug?Sidious never tried TK. So we don't know how effective it would have been. Probably pure PIS that he didn't try it.
Sidious made it clear that he viewed her powers as a threat. Why would he neglect to use something in his arsenal that could quickly end her, unless, of course, he knew he couldn't?
Sidious speed feats are far beyond Vitiate's or any opponent Vitiate has faced, but your argument as to why Sidious would be unable to blitz him is because "he's powerful," but that logic doesn't apply to people who aren't TOR characters?
Dooku considered Savage a threat, despite having a technique he had no defense against. Again, PIS. According to you the whole galaxy views Vitiate as a threat despite him being easily blitzable.
That's only one of my arguments about Sidious not blitzing him. 😉
Originally posted by Selenial
I still don't see how Vitiate TK will make this that much easier.He can't directly TK her due to her barriers, and throwing stuff at her? She teleports and is surprisingly agile, that wouldn't really work either.
You don't know that he can't directly TK her, you're just assuming that. Also has she teleported in combat? Can she teleport in her real body?
Also S66, I've specifically pointed out that its unknown if Talzin even possesses TK. If she does, then yeah her great power indicates that she's probably decently powerful with it. Which is why I looked through Talzin's writing to see if there was any evidence of her actually having telekinetic powers. With Vitiate, he's a Sith. So of course he has Force Speed and enhanced reflexes. But Nightsister magic is different so we should be more cautious about such assumptions.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Dooku considered Savage a threat, despite having a technique he had no defense against. Again, PIS. According to you the whole galaxy views Vitiate as a threat despite him being easily blitzable.That's only one of my arguments about Sidious not blitzing him. 😉
Sidious didn't exist back then, so it's pretty irrelevant.
Regardless, you're missing the point. Here you're basing your whole argument on feats and what Talzin hasn't shown much of. That logic can be used against Vitiate. Again neither Vitiate nor any of the opponents he's faced approach Sidious in speed.
#doublestandards
Originally posted by Nephthys
Also S66, I've specifically pointed out that its unknown if Talzin even possesses TK. If she does, then yeah her great power indicates that she's probably decently powerful with it. Which is why I looked through Talzin's writing to see if there was any evidence of her actually having telekinetic powers. With Vitiate, he's a Sith. So of course he has Force Speed and enhanced reflexes. But Nightsister magic is different so we should be more cautious about such assumptions.
Tiin, Kolar and Fisto have enhanced reflexes as well; didn't help much against Sidious.
Regardless of how Talzin's magic works, it's something that allows her to harness the force, and makes her power sufficient enough that Sidious viewed her power as a threat to him. If he could easily slay her via TK then he would have done so.
As for your Savage example, Dooku viewed his increasing power as a threat, and that technique Savage had no defense against, annoyed him to the point of overpowering both Dooku and Ventress in a force choke. How does this support your point?
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Sidious didn't exist back then, so it's pretty irrelevant.Regardless, you're missing the point. Here you're basing your whole argument on feats and what Talzin hasn't shown much of. That logic can be used against Vitiate. Again neither Vitiate nor any of the opponents he's faced approach Sidious in speed.
#doublestandards
No it isn't. Plenty of other fast characters existed back then.
I definitely could justify my position in this but Vitiate vs Sidious isn't the topic here. Unless you have a relevant argument concerning this, drop it.
Originally posted by Nephthys
No it isn't. Plenty of other fast characters existed back then.I definitely could justify my position in this but Vitiate vs Sidious isn't the topic here. Unless you have a relevant argument concerning this, drop it.
None of them come close to Sidious in speed.
No, but if Palpatine was unable to kill her with TK then someone who is solidly below him isn't either.