Originally posted by Werewolf582
Unless your destroying that thing by pushing or lifting it I don't see how that logic works.
He's saying that it depends on the object in question. Some things takes less force to destroy than lift and some the opposite. Like your weights example vs Nemebros sand castle
Originally posted by Lek Kuen
He's saying that it depends on the object in question. Some things takes less force to destroy than lift and some the opposite. Like your weights example vs Nemebros sand castle
A planet isn't sand and it isn't made of weights.
It's 70% water 😉
Above the core is Earth's mantle, which is made up of rock containing silicon, iron, magnesium, aluminum and other minerals. The rocky surface layer of Earth, called the crust, is made up of mostly silicon, aluminum, iron, calcium, sodium, potassium and magnesium.
Originally posted by Werewolf582
A planet isn't sand and it isn't made of weights.It's 70% water 😉
Above the core is Earth's mantle, which is made up of rock containing silicon, iron, magnesium, aluminum and other minerals. The rocky surface layer of Earth, called the crust, is made up of mostly silicon, aluminum, iron, calcium, sodium, potassium and magnesium.
I never said it was, just that the whole lift vs destroy isn't something is always one way or the other. Especially with massive things where you are displacing an orbit
Originally posted by Lek Kuen
I never said it was, just that the whole lift vs destroy isn't something is always one way or the other. Especially with massive things where you are displacing an orbit
I just take striking feats over lifting and pushing feats because they are more impressive.
Say you could lift 500 pounds, that doesn't mean you can strike with a force that high. Money Mayweather can hit a lot harder than people who can lift more than him.
Originally posted by Werewolf582
@CarverDo you honestly see the DBZverse winning?
SuperBOY prime was taking on the Teen Titans, Doom Patrol, AND the JLA, killed several of their members and even admitted to nightwing that he wasn't even trying in that fight.
Isn't this about Superman Prime, not Superboy Prime though?
Originally posted by Werewolf582Why?
I just take striking feats over lifting and pushing feats because they are more impressive.Say you could lift 500 pounds, that doesn't mean you can strike with a force that high. Money Mayweather can hit a lot harder than people who can lift more than him.
Mayweather can punch harder than people who can lift more, but those people can still lift more despite being able to punch harder.
Also, George Foreman could lift more than Mayweather. He punched much harder too. 👆
Originally posted by NemeBro
Why?Mayweather can punch harder than people who can lift more, but those people can still lift more despite being able to punch harder.
Also, George Foreman could lift more than Mayweather. He punched much harder too. 👆
Because it shows their actual striking strength. If we didn't take them into consideration DBZ characters would be weak as **** cause their lifting and pushing feats are shit.
Indeed, Mayweather can punch harder than a lot of people that can lift more than him. Mike Tyson and chuck Norris are also good examples.
Originally posted by Werewolf582Kayfabe.
Because it shows their actual striking strength. If we didn't take them into consideration DBZ characters would be weak as **** cause their lifting and pushing feats are shit.Indeed, Mayweather can punch harder than a lot of people that can lift more than him. Mike Tyson and chuck Norris are also good examples.
In an actual fight Big Show would have literally killed Mayweather. Be real. Even in a boxing match, with its rules, the fact that Big Show punches much harder (Yes, the fact) and has a reach about twice Mayweather's and is so tall Floyd wouldn't be able to actually hit him in the face puts Show at a distinct advantage. 👆
Also, they are relatively weak as shit.
Their punching strength means nothing if a character in Superman's strength tier begins grappling with them. Then they're going to be manhandled and bent over.
Striking strength is good to have. So is lifting strength.
DBZ characters possess the latter.
Most comic herald characters have both.
This puts DBZ characters at the disadvantage in combat.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Kayfabe.In an actual fight Big Show would have literally killed Mayweather. Be real. Even in a boxing match, with its rules, the fact that Big Show punches much harder (Yes, the fact) and has a reach about twice Mayweather's and is so tall Floyd wouldn't be able to actually hit him in the face puts Show at a distinct advantage. 👆
Also, they are relatively weak as shit.
Their punching strength means nothing if a character in Superman's strength tier begins grappling with them. Then they're going to be manhandled and bent over.
Striking strength is good to have. So is lifting strength.
DBZ characters possess the latter.
Most comic herald characters have both.
This puts DBZ characters at the disadvantage in combat.
Don't know what that means.
It was a joke......
In lifting strength not in punching strength.
That's if they start grappling, a lot of characters just don't start grabbing in a fight.
But have amazing Striking strength.
Technically some metas and low and mid heralds have lifting feats that poop on new 52 darksieds.
It indeed does if it is grappling contest, in a fight that involves striking, not so much.
Originally posted by Werewolf582
@CarverDo you honestly see the DBZverse winning?
SuperBOY prime was taking on the Teen Titans, Doom Patrol, AND the JLA, killed several of their members and even admitted to nightwing that he wasn't even trying in that fight.
Goku powering up would take out a chunk of that team. A casual attack from Goku would take out that team. Hell, Nappa lifting his hand in the air would outright destroy that team. Don't get your point. This would kill them.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BrUiOmY0RLs
When did he fight the entirety of the JLA and won? Who did he kill on the JLA?
Superman himself agreed that he was unable to stop Prime alone:
http://i.imgur.com/3yEQQu5.jpg
ie. Prime>Superman, overall.
Aside from that, we also know that even when Prime is extremely weakened, his HV is still capable of passing right through Superman, like a hot knife through butter:
http://i.imgur.com/1tb3RQ8.jpg
ie. Prime's WEAKENED HV>>>Superman-level durability.
Aside from that, we know Prime is powerful enough to shred through entire TEAMS of DC's upper-echelon heroes... Even when he's not at 100% power:
http://i.imgur.com/KzoSzH4.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/M0wtop7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/NxnRtrA.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ihh3gnv.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/sIhunDo.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/pxZEM4z.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/N2NL3ET.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/MCPChFb.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/VNi0U8w.jpg
(Those scenes are just the tip of the iceberg, mind you.)
Aside from that, we also know Prime is fast enough to counter high-level speedsters when need be:
http://i.imgur.com/j5p1hig.jpg
And even outrace several confirmed FTL++ characters:
http://i.imgur.com/QcbiRHQ.jpg
"There's NO WAY we'll catch him", says JOHN STEWART to SUPERMAN, POWER GIRL, HAL, KAL, and J'ONN.
Aside from that, we also know Prime is durable enough to tank universe-busting detonations at ground zero:
http://i.imgur.com/BXmtZ0x.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/qcx8Cy3.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/yWygHlI.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/F2nSSrU.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/kY1X5Lr.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/YbhuRmn.jpg
As well as pure anti-matter energy:
http://i.imgur.com/C4v00Wz.jpg
So yeah, I see no possible way for the DBZ-verse to win in a PIS-less scenario. Tbh, I don't even know how they could contend with Prime's HV alone... Never mind his VASTLY superior strength, speed, and durability. /shrug
#PowerOfChristCompelsYou
Galan, everyone in this thread knows all of that. Some people just refuse to acknowledge those high showings because they prove DBZ has no chance.
Originally posted by Werewolf582Only a lot of heralds and up have grappled in combat.
Don't know what that means.It was a joke......
In lifting strength not in punching strength.
That's if they start grappling, a lot of characters just don't start grabbing in a fight.
But have amazing Striking strength.
Technically some metas and low and mid heralds have lifting feats that poop on new 52 darksieds.
It indeed does if it is grappling contest, in a fight that involves striking, not so much.
Prime grabbed Monarch in a fight and overpowered him. Monarch was able to escape because he too has incredible physical strength, but any DBZ character would be ****ed.
