Not to talk bad things about other places, but on CV 95% of people seem to have never read Final Crisis: everytime they talk about Mandrakk or TR BS is what they say (95% of times they don't even know that there are two versions of Mandrakk).
COIE AM is one of the most powerful entities ever written in DC, but don't let the New 52 disposition fool you: Mandrakk is not weaker than AM because of that.
To tell the truth, to gasp the true level of Mandrakk (Dax Novu) and TR, I suggest you to read Final Crisis Beyond: you will understand what the Primal Monitor and thus Mandrakk and TR really are; you will see that Grant Morrison has brilliantly came up with an idea of a greater God (Primal Monitor) than God himself (Presence) without making the Presence less omnipotent at all (maybe in the next Multiversity we will be explained even more some connection between PM and Presence, or maybe not..), with Mandrakk and TR that are the consequences of Primal Monitor approaching creation (which is the whole DCU).
Primal Monitor is the white page where comics are written and it is a non dual (i.e. in Primal Monitor there is no good or evil) living overvoid, and Mandrakk is its negative aspect which generated when a part of Primal Monitor (the first probe and most powerful of all, Dax Novu) blended with creation (DC) eons before (I could even say that probably, at that time, DC was made of infinite universes but still Dax Novu mapped all of them, so yeah, imagine how powerful it was); the result of the blending was that the duality of stories corrupted the non dual mind of Primal Monitor, and thus the concept of Mandrakk was born as the materialization of evil.
And what does this negative materialization of the white page (Primal Monitor) do to all stories (whole DCU)? It devours them, until nothing but void is left.
It is true that COIE AM wrestled with unbound Spectre, but the weaker version of Mandrakk, which is Rox Ogama (basically the concept of Mandrakk took over a Monitor - Rox Ogama - and entered creation; that's because as long as Monitors exist, the inner duality in them of good and evil exists, and thus the concept of Mandrakk itself keeps on existing), was capable of kill, with ease (and in fact it did even happen off panel) two aspects of the Presence itself, i.e. Spectre and Radiant (Mercy of God).
Before someone says it was Crispus Spectre, it has to be said that at that point of Final Crisis Spectre was holy powerful: indeed, after the Spear of Destiny issue, Spectre remade all of creation, and Radiant was at its best as well.
And this Mandrakk (Rox Ogama) is a drop in the ocean, a spec of dust in power if compared to the original Mandrakk (Dax Novu) who wrestled the TR outside of creation.
Finally I'll leave you here these three comments directly from Grant Morrison himself:
"In the case of comic book stories, it's the war between white page and ink. And who's to say that the page might want that particular story drawn on it? [laughs] What happens if the page is a bit pissed off at the story that's drawn on it? So I thought of the page as God. The idea being that the Overvoid"
"On the very edge of the art and the edge of the mind of God there are these two big concepts fighting – Superman and Mandrakk, Predation and Protection, Greed and Preservation, Ugly and Beautiful, Youth and Age, Good and Evil, Black and White, Is and Isn't and all the others. Beyond that crumbling ledge in Monitor-World, those concepts don't exist and it's all non-dual Monitor mind."
"Mandrakk is actually the ultimate evil where there's no hope. The grave. He's entropy, I suppose. No matter how hard you try, this entity will consume the universe and you'll be sucked into the gaping, bulging Black Hole of Mandrakk."
Mandrakk wins.
Originally posted by Sj_Sharp
Not to talk bad things about other places, but on CV 95% of people seem to have never read Final Crisis: everytime they talk about Mandrakk or TR BS is what they say (95% of times they don't even know that there are two versions of Mandrakk).COIE AM is one of the most powerful entities ever written in DC, but don't let the New 52 disposition fool you: Mandrakk is not weaker than AM because of that.
To tell the truth, to gasp the true level of Mandrakk (Dax Novu) and TR, I suggest you to read Final Crisis Beyond: you will understand what the Primal Monitor and thus Mandrakk and TR really are; you will see that Grant Morrison has brilliantly came up with an idea of a greater God (Primal Monitor) than God himself (Presence) without making the Presence less omnipotent at all (maybe in the next Multiversity we will be explained even more some connection between PM and Presence, or maybe not..), with Mandrakk and TR that are the consequences of Primal Monitor approaching creation (which is the whole DCU).
Primal Monitor is the white page where comics are written and it is a non dual (i.e. in Primal Monitor there is no good or evil) living overvoid, and Mandrakk is its negative aspect which generated when a part of Primal Monitor (the first probe and most powerful of all, Dax Novu) blended with creation (DC) eons before (I could even say that probably, at that time, DC was made of infinite universes but still Dax Novu mapped all of them, so yeah, imagine how powerful it was); the result of the blending was that the duality of stories corrupted the non dual mind of Primal Monitor, and thus the concept of Mandrakk was born as the materialization of evil.
And what does this negative materialization of the white page (Primal Monitor) do to all stories (whole DCU)? It devours them, until nothing but void is left.
It is true that COIE AM wrestled with unbound Spectre, but the weaker version of Mandrakk, which is Rox Ogama (basically the concept of Mandrakk took over a Monitor - Rox Ogama - and entered creation; that's because as long as Monitors exist, the inner duality in them of good and evil exists, and thus the concept of Mandrakk itself keeps on existing), was capable of kill, with ease (and in fact it did even happen off panel) two aspects of the Presence itself, i.e. Spectre and Radiant (Mercy of God).
Before someone says it was Crispus Spectre, it has to be said that at that point of Final Crisis Spectre was holy powerful: indeed, after the Spear of Destiny issue, Spectre remade all of creation, and Radiant was at its best as well.
And this Mandrakk (Rox Ogama) is a drop in the ocean, a spec of dust in power if compared to the original Mandrakk (Dax Novu) who wrestled the TR outside of creation.
Finally I'll leave you here these three comments directly from Grant Morrison himself:"In the case of comic book stories, it's the war between white page and ink. And who's to say that the page might want that particular story drawn on it? [laughs] What happens if the page is a bit pissed off at the story that's drawn on it? So I thought of the page as God. The idea being that the Overvoid"
"On the very edge of the art and the edge of the mind of God there are these two big concepts fighting – Superman and Mandrakk, Predation and Protection, Greed and Preservation, Ugly and Beautiful, Youth and Age, Good and Evil, Black and White, Is and Isn't and all the others. Beyond that crumbling ledge in Monitor-World, those concepts don't exist and it's all non-dual Monitor mind."
"Mandrakk is actually the ultimate evil where there's no hope. The grave. He's entropy, I suppose. No matter how hard you try, this entity will consume the universe and you'll be sucked into the gaping, bulging Black Hole of Mandrakk."
Mandrakk wins.
Originally posted by quanchi112
By saying he is the ultimate evil, etc. That is hyperbole.
So he loses just because he think him being the ultimate evil is an hyperbole?
For arguments sake lets say that statement is an hyperbole, it still doesn't diminish his feats.
Fact are, Mandrakk may not have as much feats as Anti-Monitor, but the few he has trumps anything Anti Monitor has done.
Originally posted by SquallXWhat feats ?? Being staked by gl's. Please.
So he loses just because he think him being the ultimate evil is an hyperbole?For arguments sake lets say that statement is an hyperbole, it still doesn't diminish his feats.
Fact are, Mandrakk may not have as much feats as Anti-Monitor, but the few he has trumps anything Anti Monitor has done.
Am crushes him.