Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No, the sun and the moon are not proof of God. But I never said that God didn't exist. I simply believe in a natural God.
Explain please.
More precisely, please tell me if it differs significantly from what Gerald Schroeder describes here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQVm8RokoBA
5 min 27 sec
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
God is supposed to be perfect, not handicapped. Most people are physical and mentally fit, not handicapped.
There are several problems with your argument, because having the mind of a child isn't being "mentally unfit", it's just "not average". Also everyone living was a child at some point (except Young babies), up to which point are we allowed to be "like God"? Are children less "human" according to your concept of intelligence?
Your conception isn't historically sound either, nobody back when the Bible was written would've thrown around the argument of "men being special because they are smart". Back then humans weren't sure they were the smarter beasts in the globe.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Also evolution misses one big thing.Which is missing link.
Other thing is why people would fully accept and want to believe they came from monkeys. While it does explain the stupidty and behavior of some. It's actually backwards thinking. If we came from monkeys why are monkeys still not evolving and why is there such a vast difference in intelligence and physical makeup.
Wow! You don't understand evolution.
The idea of a missing link was disproved long ago. Also, monkeys are modern animals and have evolved along side of us. Therefore there is no way we could have evolved from monkeys. Humans and chimpanzees evolved from a common ancestor about 4 million years ago.
Originally posted by psmith81992
Prove it.
A bowl is designed by a craftsman. You could say that the craftsman is "outside" of the bowl. That works because there is room (space) and time for a craftsman to exist. However, if the universe is infinite, then there is no "outside" to the universe. There is no room or time for a designer.
If the universe was finite in size, then there could be other universes "outside" of ours. If there was a being in one of these universes that designed this universe, then that being would be an alien and not a supernatural God. At best you could say this alien was a natural God.
But this is all very complicated. It is simpler to say that the universe is natural, and there is no creation, only change.
If the designer is also infinite then the designer can create something finite, turn it into the infinite, and your entire argument falls apart.
It seems you're intent on making baseless statements and assumptions. Let us know when you want to discuss this seriously. Calling the universe natural in its every facet requires proof.
Originally posted by psmith81992
If the designer is also infinite then the designer can create something finite, turn it into the infinite, and your entire argument falls apart.It seems you're intent on making baseless statements and assumptions. Let us know when you want to discuss this seriously. Calling the universe natural in its every facet requires proof.
An infinite designer creating an infinite universe. 😂
It reminds me of this image:
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Wow! You don't understand evolution.The idea of a missing link was disproved long ago. Also, monkeys are modern animals and have evolved along side of us. Therefore there is no way we could have evolved from monkeys. Humans and chimpanzees evolved from a common ancestor about 4 million years ago.
It was disproved cause they couldn't prove it, then abandoned the idea, and made it look hokey when their leader Darwin came up with it.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
It was disproved cause they couldn't prove it, then abandoned the idea, and made it look hokey when their leader Darwin came up with it.
No. The concept was flawed.
What does Darwin have to do with what we are talking about.
We are not talking about 200 year old information. We are talking about modern day evolution. Please learn a little bit about evolution before you make yourself look like a fool.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Also evolution misses one big thing.Which is missing link.
Other thing is why people would fully accept and want to believe they came from monkeys. While it does explain the stupidty and behavior of some. It's actually backwards thinking. If we came from monkeys why are monkeys still not evolving and why is there such a vast difference in intelligence and physical makeup.
You are asking the wrong questions. The better one would be why are humans relatively hairless. Since this seems like a downgrade, humans had to wear the fur of other animals because they lacked sufficient hair of their own and would of otherwise died had they not worn the fur of other animals.
Of course it is more likely that some aliens messed with our genes as opposed to this having anything to do with "God".
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
However, if the universe is infinite, then there is no "outside" to the universe. There is no room or time for a designer.
This is not a logically sound argument. Infinite doesn't mean all encompassing, mathematical series are effectively endless but they don't contain everything (let's say fish or cheese to make my argument sound funky).
Again, maybe you intended to use the word infinite to state something else?
Originally posted by Bentley
This is not a logically sound argument. Infinite doesn't mean all encompassing, mathematical series are effectively endless but they don't contain everything (let's say fish or cheese to make my argument sound funky).Again, maybe you intended to use the word infinite to state something else?
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