Are you created in God's image?

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Shakyamunison Nam Myoho Renge Kyo

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
It is the only attribute that comes to mind.

Fair enough.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Based on?

It depends on rather the universe is infinite or finite. If the universe is infinite, then there is no room for a supernatural. But if the universe is finite, then there could be other universes. However, these other universes would still be natural.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
So Big Bang Theory is wrong?

The Big Bang Theory does NOT say anything about what happened before the big bang.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Yes.
God is represented by Mystic Law?

No, God is not represented by the Mystic Law. However, it is a close enough analogy for us to communicate.

psmith81992 Restricted

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
self ownage ftw 😂

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Fair enough.

🙂

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It depends on rather the universe is infinite or finite. If the universe is infinite, then there is no room for a supernatural. But if the universe is finite, then there could be other universes. However, these other universes would still be natural.

What about phenomenon that science is not able to explain? People have experiences with such phenomenon.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The Big Bang Theory does NOT say anything about what happened before the big bang.

Doesn't this makes you curious? Like there might be a power that caused Big Bang?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No, God is not represented by the Mystic Law. However, it is a close enough analogy for us to communicate.

We can communicate with God using this approach?

Shakyamunison Nam Myoho Renge Kyo

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
What about phenomenon that science is not able to explain? People have experiences with such phenomenon.

What phenomenon are you talking about.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Doesn't this makes you curious? Like there might be a power that caused Big Bang?

I have my own ideas about what happened before the big bang. I believe that two other universes in the multiverse collided, and that created the big bang.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
We can communicate with God using this approach?

Can you communicate with gravity? The Mystic Law is not a being.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
What phenomenon are you talking about.

I am simply pointing out that it is not wise to dismiss existence of things that we are not able to interact with and/or don't come across on frequent basis.

Spoiler:
I have witnessed stuff/activity in life that is not a work of biological beings.

We are not fully aware of things in our own world yet, forget the Universe.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I have my own ideas about what happened before the big bang. I believe that two other universes in the multiverse collided, and that created the big bang.

This is not the concept of Big Bang.

Cosmic stuff like stars and planets did not existed before the Big Bang event.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Can you communicate with gravity? The Mystic Law is not a being.

Then what exactly is the God in your opinion? Nature?

Shakyamunison Nam Myoho Renge Kyo

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I am simply pointing out that it is not wise to dismiss existence of things that we are not able to interact with and/or don't come across on frequent basis…

Please I mean no offence, but that sounds like superstition to me.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
We are not fully aware of things in our own world yet, forget the Universe.

To put a point on it, I don’t believe in Satan, demons, angels, ghosts or apparitions. These are products of the imagination.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
This is not the concept of Big Bang.

The Big Bang Theory only talks about the moments after the Big Bang and nothing about what happened before. There are other theories that talk about before. One of my favorite is the Cosmological Natural Selection.
Here is a link in case you are interested:
http://evodevouniverse.com/wiki/Cosmological_natural_selection_(fecund_universes)
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Cosmic stuff like stars and planets did not existed before the Big Bang event.

We don’t know what happened before the Big Bang. There could have been other universes with their own stars and planets.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Then what exactly is the God in your opinion? Nature?

God is unfathomable. God cannot be written down in a book. God is complete and without want and need. God is not a person or anything we cannot understand. God is not a creator, or a judge. God is.

Shakyamunison Nam Myoho Renge Kyo

Here is a better link:
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/the-logic-and-beauty-of-cosmological-natural-selection/

That last link lost all of its content after I posted it. Maybe they're changing it.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

@Shakyamunison

Quoting system is not working at this time, so I will address your points in numerical sequence.

1. I am not making this stuff up. My experiences in life are as realistic as yours.

2. Your perception seems to be limited to your worldview, which is problematic. We are not all-knowing, we continue to discover new things with passage of time and our understanding of our surroundings continues to evolve accordingly.

3. Big Bang Theory have more merit then other ideas. A recent scientific experiment proved the existence of quarks as independent particles.

Quarks can independently exist only in extreme conditions, conditions that existed during the earliest stages of the Big Bang event. Recheck the image that I have posted earlier, you will notice the word "quarks" in it and the affiliated timeline.

More here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quark_epoch

Also, understand that Big Bang event have not ended; it is seemingly continuous, and it continues to reshape the Universe with passage of time.

Check this link and read the content within: http://www.physicsoftheuniverse.com/topics_bigbang_timeline.html

4. Most likely, something caused the Big Bang.

5. I believe that God is an incredibly complex being/entity. So complex, that we do not properly understand it yet.

Shakyamunison Nam Myoho Renge Kyo

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
@[B]Shakyamunison
Quoting system is not working at this time, so I will address your points in numerical sequence.
1. I am not making this stuff up. I have already provided a hint. [/B]

I believe that everything has a rational explanation, and is natural.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
2. Your perception seems to be limited to your worldview, which is problematic. We are not all-knowing, we continue to discover new things with passage of time and our understanding of our surroundings continues to evolve accordingly.

But those things we discover are all natural, no matter how strange they are.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
3. Big Bang Theory have more merit then other ideas. A recent scientific experiment proved the existence of quarks.

I never talked about any theory to replace the Big Bang Theory. Cosmological Natural Selection does not replace the Big Bang Theory. It adds to it in the same way Relativity adds to Newton’s theory of Gravity.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Quarks are possible only in extreme conditions, conditions that existed during the earliest stages of the Big Bang event. Recheck the image that I have posted earlier, you will notice the word "quarks" in it and the affiliated timeline.
Also, understand that Big Bang event have not ended; it is seemingly continuous, and it continues to reshape the Universe with passage of time.

However, when most people talk about the big bang, they are talking about the beginning moment. All of the things you have talked about happened after that starting point.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
4. Most likely, something caused the Big Bang.

I believe that something was natural.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
5. I believe that God is an incredibly complex being/entity. So complex, that we do not properly understand it yet.

I mostly agree, but I would add that God is natural and not a person.

Bentley Seitei

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Are you saying that there is something beyond infinity? Kind of like infinity + 1?

All that does is try to change the definition of infinity.

Again, I gave you a clear example.

Take the series of all the natural numbers (1, 2, 3, 4...), can we agree they are infinite in number?

Where in that series is there a bass or a tuna?

The infinite quality of natural numbers has no repercussion on the possibility of "other things" existing. Infinity isn't the quality that disallows new external elements, you might want to rephrase your statement with the right word.

Shakyamunison Nam Myoho Renge Kyo

Originally posted by Bentley
Again, I gave you a clear example.

Take the series of all the natural numbers (1, 2, 3, 4...), can we agree they are infinite in number?

Where in that series is there a bass or a tuna?

The infinite quality of natural numbers has no repercussion on the possibility of "other things" existing. Infinity isn't the quality that disallows new external elements, you might want to rephrase your statement with the right word.

But I was arguing against supernatural. Supernatural would be the "bass or tuna" in the number sequence, which does not exist.

If I listed out all the numbers that exist (to infinity) there could never be any other numbers. There is no "room" for any thing else.

Bentley Seitei

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But I was arguing against supernatural. Supernatural would be the "bass or tuna" in the number sequence, which does not exist.

If I listed out all the numbers that exist (to infinity) there could never be any other numbers. There is no "room" for any thing else.

Again, it was just a misnomer. Frankly even after your explanation it seems like an unnecesarily complex way to "disprove" supernatural events. There is nothing numerical about it.

Part of the problem might be that the meaning of supernatural is very murky. Natural is a word of relative meaning and supernatural is just a made up opposite word. Not a pleasing discussion to be had around those concepts.

Surtur Restricted

I think if a being exists that created everything...he probably doesn't give a shit about us. Seriously, do you care about the ants in your backyard? Do you are about the ants in the backyard of someone 10,000 miles away?

Okay, now times that by about a trillion. If this thing existed, it did not create people. It created the building blocks that eventually let humans come into existence, but it did not go "I need me some humans now" specifically and it certainly doesn't have any creepy half human half deity magic children that were running around 2,000 years ago making water into wine.